SWA Pay Raise...Congratulations!

[Hobiehawker]

An SWA friend sent me the pay scale effective 9/1/05 due to their profitability bonus. They will receive a 4.76 percent raise.

For some reason I am unable to cut and paste the scale. I'm sure someone will soon.

 

[TR4A]

An SWA friend sent me the pay scale effective 9/1/05 due to their profitability bonus. They will receive a 4.76 percent raise.

For some reason I am unable to cut and paste the scale. I'm sure someone will soon.

9/1/2005 Pay Rates per Trip (to get approximate hourly multiply by 1.14)

Top captain pay would be about $190.40/Hour

Year Capt FO
12 $167.02 $110.22
11 $165.22 $109.04
10 $163.39 $107.85
9 $161.61 $106.67
8 $159.81 $105.46
7 $158.00 $104.28
6 $156.21 $103.09
5 $154.28 $100.28
4 $152.57 $91.56
3 $150.79 $82.93
2 $148.98 $74.49
1 $147.19 $44.15

 

[SWA/FO]

awesome! What a great deal!!!

 

[stonewall]

Sweet....good for SWA!

Now, according to the message I just got from our MEC, FDX Express scored a net profit of around $771.5M for 04 (#2 of the top 25). SWA had a net profit of $313M (#11/25).

Ya'll get a "profitability bonus" of almost 5%, and we got an "offer" of 3%. Something doesn't make sense to this caveman pilot. FDX needs to pony up.

My negotiating committee speaks for me.

 

[wnplt]

Not to change the subject but...

I still think the trip rate to hourly conversion isn't quite right. I normally fly about 100 trips a month which is about 80 hours a month block. That equates to 960 hours a year which most airlines figure is average pay wise. So Im on 3rd year pay at 82.93 come September, times(X) 100 trips for pay gives 8293 per month divided by 80 block hours gives more like a hourly rate of 103.66 instead of the 1.14 conversion of 94.54 per hour. Am I missing something here or does this make more sense?

Thanks for any insight...

 

[cforst513]

i've got almost 54 TT, 0 multi, 0 turbine PIC... where do i send my resume?

 

[Mr Hat]

That is truly amazing, SW continues to blow me away. I hope the DB goes my way in Aug.
Congrats guys, I am sure you deserve it!

 

[AlbieF15]

Magnum,

I was just thinking the same thing. I get paperwork in the mail about how the "purple promise" has returned so much for the company this year (GREAT!--I love this company). However, the contrast with the SWA raise is plain as day.

My negotiating committe speaks for me, too.

 

[TR4A]

I still think the trip rate to hourly conversion isn't quite right.

Looking at the OAK bid lines for August the lowest is 1.13 and the highest is 1.29. I have a line that is 1.28. It has a deadhead at the end of evey 3-say that pays 2.4 TFP and is 2:05 hours. If you add in the DH flight time of 8:20 (2:05 X 4) to my flight time of my line I would have 82:20 for the month. 95.2 TFP / 82:20 hours = 1.1516 TFP/Hour. So if you factor in the deadhead time I would be making $192.34/hour for the month of August

 

[PurpleTail]

I normally fly about 100 trips a month which is about 80 hours a month block.

Does 1 trip=1 leg? If so, if you work 15 on/15 off and fly 5 legs a day that is about 75 trips a month. To get 100 that would be 20 ON and 10 off at 5 legs a day...ouch! I am not very familiar with SWA pay structure so I could be missing something.

Congrats on the raise, you guys/gals are an awesome bunch!

 

[TR4A]

Does 1 trip=1 leg? If so, if you work 15 on/15 off and fly 5 legs a day that is about 75 trips a month. To get 100 that would be 20 ON and 10 off at 5 legs a day...ouch! I am not very familiar with SWA pay structure so I could be missing something.

Back in 1971 when we started each leg was 1 Trip For Pay (TFP). DAL, SAT, and HOU were the first three cities. A standard TFP is from Dallas Love (DAL) to Houston Hobby (HOU). The distance is 243 miles. Each additional 40 miles is a 0.1 TFP. In my previous post I mentioned a deadhead leg. OAK - SEA 2:05 Hours pays 2.4 TFP.

 

[psysicx]

How often do your trips not end at your hub?

 

[ivauir]

Magnum,

I was just thinking the same thing. I get paperwork in the mail about how the "purple promise" has returned so much for the company this year (GREAT!--I love this company). However, the contrast with the SWA raise is plain as day.

My negotiating committe speaks for me, too.

Just want to point out that the formula for profitability raises was determined during negotiations and was in lieu of hard pay. It seems we get more leverage at the negotiating table when we take something other than hard pay. But of course there are risks.

Good luck.

 

[ivauir]

Does 1 trip=1 leg? If so, if you work 15 on/15 off and fly 5 legs a day that is about 75 trips a month. To get 100 that would be 20 ON and 10 off at 5 legs a day...ouch! I am not very familiar with SWA pay structure so I could be missing something.

Congrats on the raise, you guys/gals are an awesome bunch!

No, one trip use to be one leg when we only had three cities, but today to get 100 TFP (trips for pay) you will work 14 days on/16 off at worst and proabably average 4 or 5 legs a day.

 

[TR4A]

How often do your trips not end at your hub?

Not very often. You tend to find more deadheads on Saturdays. My trip ends in SEA, where I live, on Saturday. Just need to call Scheduling to get released fro the DH.

 

[psysicx]

Do the DH's tend to go senior or does it depend on the city?

 

[Baby Cakes]

you think Southwest has some fine numbers? visit ABX Air's payscale which increased today a few % pts - http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/26/12/

ABX Air? 239 per hour? When are they going to start hiring again??

 

[jball2]

Abx pilots have been making serious bank for some time. However, there was an Abx Captain in my SWA new hire class. He said he was well over 200k but absolutely Hated working there. It takes a certain personality for both airlines. Just not the same one.

 

[SWA/FO]

I have 136 trips for pay in August with 68 block hours (w/ 1 week vacation).

To confuse you guys more that means I'll be making 174.8 per trip.

 

[SWA/FO]

Guys...that means at the new pay rates a new hire flying 100 trips per month (which is way easy to do) will be making over 50,000 a year. Plus, you get to fly the best looking jets in the industry!

52980 to be exact. That is not to bad for starting pay. I remember AA starting pay was 2200 per month a few years back.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This thread is going to irritate many. It will also fuel those who say SWA pilots are overpaid. Be careful.

SWA pay is now, relative to the other majors, at an all time high. I hope we are smart in negotiations and don't choke the golden goose. I have visions of UAL and Delta guys typing with glee in 2000 discussing their pay raises.

I hope NWA and DAL can hold on. I pray the economy makes big pay raises at Alaska, AA, UAL and others a certainty during their next negotiation.

Remember that the old farts near retirement can hose the company just as much as the next new start up with non-union employees.

 

[donger]

$52,980 to be exact. That is not to bad for starting pay. I remember AA starting pay was 2200 per month a few years back.

That is better than FDX! My first year pay amounted to roughly $41,700. It was just short of being a 60% pay cut from the job I left before working for FDX that includes the three months of $2000/month for training pay (ouch!).

Jball2, I agree that it takes a certain type of pilot to fly for SWA. For the most part the pilots I have flown with at FDX have been great but there are some certifible nut jobs running around too (a case could be made for myself, I am sure) but the folks I know very well at SWA are great guys and gal (only know one) and ALL speak very highly of their company.

All I can say is you all deserve it IMHO. I could not deal well with some of the folks you haul around in the back. To make my flights more challenging at FedEx, I make sure the HAZ folks load the corrosives on top of the explosives

All that drivel just to say congrats...I really am nuts! Speak of which I need to bust one right now- SEE YA!

 

[SWA/FO]

It might upset the sensitive types but....I was just trying to make the point for anyone out there that has not applied yet that there is decent money to be made here from day 1.

Lots of folks still think we fly 8 legs a day and its just simply not true.

 

[SWA GUY]

$80,000.00 in the first year is not difficult to do. You have to work smarter, not harder.

 

[F16TJ]

Yep...there goes SWA "lowering the bar" once again!

For the uninitiated...the above line is filled with SARCASM!

See Ya!

P.S. I'm still sitting by the phone.

 

[Phil O'Sopher]

Just to clarify one point. The 4.76% was not a "profitability" raise. The negotiated contract raise was, I believe, 3.88% plus a "profitability" factor based on an adjusted profitability margin for the better of two time periods. The Jan-Jun 05 time period proved to be a good one and the additional 0.88% increase came, I think, from that period. Even if SWA had no profit, the 3.88% increase would have been applicable.
The big raise last Sep had a fairly good "profitability" portion in it as well. It's one more way to give employees a vested interest in the success of the company (not that anyone needs more vested interest in today's environment)

 

[TexaSWA]

I could not deal well with some of the folks you haul around in the back.

Unless you are a Flight Attendant, Customer Service Supervisor or Airport Cop, you dont have to deal with them.

One exception is if they come crashing thru the cockpit door. In this case the book says to kill them (memory item) then go to the QRH.

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Yr CA FO

12 119.11 76.94
11 118.49 76.10
10 116.71 75.28
09 112.81 74.46
08 111.54 73.61
07 110.27 72.78
06 109.04 71.96
05 107.68 69.99
04 106.50 63.90
03 105.25 57.88
02 103.98 51.99
01 82.00 37.50

Take a look at those rates. They are for B737 pilots at ATA Airlines. The airline that is currently flying SWA passengers to several destinations around the country including Hawaii.

We are in negotiations with the company for a long term pilot contract. The company wants even lower rates than those above, and to eliminate what remains of our "B" fund. They refuse to compromise on their demands, and promise to take us to court again if we don't reach an agreement by August 10, or vote down any TA.

So congratulations to the pilots of SWA for their pay raises. I only hope that you are at least a little concerned that the pilots of ATA are flying your pax for substantially less money than you. I'm afraid that your management will point to our rates when it comes time for your next contact negotiations.

I don't expect you to fight our battle with management. The last concession package at ATA passed by only a couple of percentage points. Perhaps ATA pilots are finally going to take a stand, and give your management less ammunition for the future.

 

[SWA/FO]

Actually, I think the "kill them" is in the notes section of the QRH.

 

[TR4A]

Do the DH's tend to go senior or does it depend on the city?

A few years ago the company started using a pairing generator for building the lines. It reduced DH's and increased aircraft changes. It seems we have more DH's lately. If there is DH on the beginning or the end of a trip it might go senior. On Saturdays there are more DH's because of the reduced schedule.