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SWA or DAL?

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General Lee (et al:flop gut, scope out rjs, FD12 etc)

I hope SOMEDAY you do better than SWA pilots. You fly widebodies! For the sake of the profession you NEED to do better.

Stop trying to drag us down and focus on bringing yourself up.

Peace


ivauir, guppywn, redflyer65 (et al)

You guys brought down the industry many years ago with your pft, lousy wages, commuter type schedules, and benefits, no pension, and of course, the catalysts for age 65.
Thanks to the force of bankruptcy, we were brought down to your level, and in most cases lower.
Stop dragging the industry down and focus on bringing yourselves up.
I can only hope that the merger with Air Tran will bring up the classless attitude that I see here.
 
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Skywiz,

Very reasonable question. You've gotten lots of responses, some emotional, some filled with more facts than emotions. Good luck sorting out the gems from the hot air.

Others have said similar things. List the 5 things you want most in your airline career; money, variety of airplanes to fly, far/near international flying or mostly domestic, job security, labor/management work relationships, quickest upgrade, etc.

Once you have done that, assess the carriers that best match those goals and apply; I would apply to both. BTW, I suspect when the applicant window opens up again for SWA, it may initially be for "typed" pilots only. No official word but just a gut feeling, but if not, apply to both is my recommendation.

One example of how choices may not always work out the way you want them. Recently flew with a DAL '97 hire who came to SWA in the mid-90's (pre bankruptcy). Great guy, great attitude, super flying skills. Drove to work @ DAL, great QOL but concerned about bankruptcy and DAL's future.

Left DAL, came here and is not upgrading as quickly as he thought he would....when he came to SWA, the trend was all towards quicker upgrades at SWA. Bottom line, he'd be a CA at DAL now, would still be driving to work vs. commuting to work, has lost many thousands of dollars by not collecting post bankruptcy payouts to pilots, equity from bankruptcy as well as a CA upgrade pay. I don't believe he was ever furloughed but had concerns about it obviously.

He acknowledges the choice has cost him great sums of $$ but despite that he is very capable, has the "luv" spirit and isn't bitter at all. In hindsight he says he should've stayed but is living with the decision.

DAL on the surface as do other carriers appear to have better upgrades coming in the future. The same was said when I was hired in the late 90's...as well as bigger salaries for the legacies. The big difference is growth will come from retirements not from airline growth as it was "promised" in the late 90's or early '00's.

I luv SWA and feel fortunate to be here, wouldn't want to be anywhere else but it isn't the right fit or choice for everyone, I get that and respect it.

One can have very successful airline carriers at other carriers; timing, leadership at the top and a world of unknown variables that can change a company's future in the blink of an eye will be more of the determining factors of your "success or missed opportunities" in this world we call the airline profession.

Once you choose the top 5 things that are most important to you in your career, go back every year or so and review them and make sure they stay the same; if you become unhappy at your airline it is probably because those priorities have changed or you weren't honest with yourself to begin with. Good luck in your choices.
 
Scope,

The airline you describe bears no resemblance to the one I work at. You have absolutely no clue.

Stop hating and work on improving your own situation. Good luck to you.
 
Scope,

The airline you describe bears no resemblance to the one I work at. You have absolutely no clue.

Stop hating and work on improving your own situation. Good luck to you.

It's ironic our situation is getting better due to our merger, while your situation and culture is deteriorating at the same time. I see rough waters ahead for your group if you don't get your acts together and play nice.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Scope,

The airline you describe bears no resemblance to the one I work at. You have absolutely no clue.

Stop hating and work on improving your own situation. Good luck to you.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, sport.;)
Besides, looks like your airline is about to resemble the chaos there after the sli is over.:laugh:
 
Let me grab some popcorn.
This will go at least 5 pages. I'm not gonna even touch the pft thing at southwest.........:D

Seriously though, just go with whoever hires you, that's the ticket.

There is no "pft thing" at Southwest.
 
There's a lot to be said about those productive three day trips at Southwest. It seems that our 4 day trips at Delta on the 88 pay about the same number of hours as a 3 day trip at Southwest. Then throw in our lesser hourly rate and we work more days for way less money. Delta loves to make four day trips on the 88. As an 07 hire at Delta, flying the MD88, I'd have rather spent my first three years at Southwest. Here at Delta, we have a long way to go, but right now if I had to guess, it would be a good long term move.
 
It's ironic our situation is getting better due to our merger, while your situation and culture is deteriorating at the same time. I see rough waters ahead for your group if you don't get your acts together and play nice.


Bye Bye---General Lee

The culture is not dying. It is only getting stronger brother. The rants and raves on FI are only a show of pride. Pride is what helps facilitates TEAM/FAMILY/CULTURE. Guess what? The AT guys have the same. With the combination of the two without ALPA, will be a thorn in DAL's side that will twist slowly. That thorn may take a long time to dig in but when it does it will hurt. Good luck on getting rid of the ten bil left in debt.
 
You know what scope your school yard taunts lead me to believe even more that you do not even work for an airline. If you do really work at DAL why do you care if we paid for our type or not? It is a choice we made personally. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to come do it so why don't you just mind your own business. If you spent half as much time minding your own affairs as you do criticizing ours maybe you could do something about all those RJ's that are doing your flying. Last time I checked I have not seen any SWA express jets flying around. We all know where you stand on your illogical argument about pft and SWA. You made your choice, we made ours. I really do not care if DAL types you in everything they got and pays you in gold bars.
 
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First one, First serve

Haven't had a chance to read numerous replies to this thread. I'm sure someone has already said it, go to the first one that calls! After you have a job, look at the bottom line. Most guys i fly with at SWA that didn't jump ship for greener fields in the late 90's talk about a solid financial company and our culture as reasons for staying. I do believe our culture has suffered a little but still love it here. I enjoy the schedule, and drive to work. QOL is definitely better than i would have at DAL. Good luck to everyone that has the problem of two airlines calling. SWA was the only one that called me in '04!
 
The culture is not dying. It is only getting stronger brother. The rants and raves on FI are only a show of pride. Pride is what helps facilitates TEAM/FAMILY/CULTURE. Guess what? The AT guys have the same. With the combination of the two without ALPA, will be a thorn in DAL's side that will twist slowly. That thorn may take a long time to dig in but when it does it will hurt. Good luck on getting rid of the ten bil left in debt.

Only getting stronger, eh? Hillarious. Why doesn't GK do the joint contract for you guys right now? Sure would create goodwill between your groups. But, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Riiiiiiiiiight. And our debt is being addressed well, infact $2 billion was just erased, and more will be erased according to the CEO in upcoming years. Thanks for your concern. It's great you paid all cash for Airtran.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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