SWA MDW Meltdown

[waveflyer]

We had the same problem on the AirTran side when Joe left and was replaced with Bob. Joe was a scumbag, unlike Herb, but he at least knew how to run and grow an airline. Bob was just a bean counter, and he knew nothing of operations, marketing, etc. Gary seems to be just a slightly smarter version of him, unfortunately. He speaks the propaganda quite well about "LUV" and such, but at heart, all he knows is numbers. That's fine for a CFO. Not so much for a CEO and a leader.

God if only swa ran just like air tran. Not just best practices, grow stronger - but you're calling for your old leaders back?? Really, you moron?

Excuse me. I critique Gary's leadership style. It's bland as a numbers guy. But remember a few things. First Plc, you fu<Kstick, Gk had every "numbers" excuse he could have ever needed to furlough in '09 and didn't and even had some senior swapa members and Wall Street pressuring him- he never got close to waivering then. What did your scumbag hero do?

We all place herb on a pedestal for power of personality. And me too. Wish I worked for him. He LED his people. I'll gladly follow him and sacrifice more than Gary has ever asked. But look at that exact quality. What are you asking for? - for the VAST MAJORITY of herb's tenure swa pilots were some of the lowest paid pilots in the majors- (stock options notwithstanding ) with much tougher schedules than we have-
For all of Gary's tenure we've been THE HIGHEST PAID IN CATEGORY, and often close to the highest paid pilots in the industry period. With great work rules and schedules.

I hate how the operation is running right now, and I give no excuse, but may want to think about some of that before you go asking for Joe to make his airline return.


Why do you LOVE working for such awful people Plc? I've asked that over and over.
Gulf Stream. Pinnacle. Air tran. And almost always at each company's lowest point. And never more upset than the thought of getting on the swapa contract. You're some level of sociopath, mixed with self loathing.

 

[waveflyer]

Besides, check it- I'm making another $2k this min 3day turned jacked up 4day. Doubled my $$
That ain't all bad.

 

[PCL_128]

I didn't ask for any of our old leaders back, you stupid f#ck. Learn how to read, and get Gary's dick out of your mouth.

 

[Crash Pad]

Wave, you just made a lightbulb turn on. I always thought PNCL was trying to fast track and missing the boat at every turn. I now realise that he is an ALPA guy. ALPA is most valuable to pilots under bad management. It all makes sense now. He has been searching for a trademark body of work to secure a spot in DC.

It explains the resume and the reason he has to resign now (which I still don't think he will do).

 

[PCL_128]

 

[Ty Webb]

Why do you LOVE working for such awful people Plc? I've asked that over and over.
Gulf Stream. Pinnacle. Air tran. And almost always at each company's lowest point. And never more upset than the thought of getting on the swapa contract. You're some level of sociopath, mixed with self loathing.

Breaking News . . . "Mother Theresa no longer running airlines".

You want to start blaming guys for working at Pinnacle and AirTran? Wow. Maybe you ought to blame him for the year he was born, or learned to fly.

Sounds sort of like blaming the victim to me.

:laugh:

 

[Dan Roman]

Breaking News . . . "Mother Theresa no longer running airlines".

You want to start blaming guys for working at Pinnacle and AirTran? Wow. Maybe you ought to blame him for the year he was born, or learned to fly.

Sounds sort of like blaming the victim to me.

:laugh:

We all live in glass houses, all of us have taken concessions at one time or another.....SWA was built on pilots working longer hours for lower pay and foregoing a retirement plan.

 

[Daddy]

Still have worst retirement "plan" of the majors

 

[waverunner]

What the hell is your problem waveflyer? Why jump pcl 128's $hit? He was just pointing out the past at the tran and how that may translate to the MAJOR frickin issues we have going on here. After experiencing the unbelievable meltdown first hand, I have never felt so uneasy about our future here. Clearly, upper management is to blame for all of this.

 

[PCL_128]

Waveflyer is just the quintessential management kiss-ass. I wouldn't pay too much attention to him.

 

[livin'thesim]

I never met a fat loser who wasn't trying to find some place to try and make a hero of himself. I think it comes from the lack of female company.

"ALPA is my Girlfriend" might be a more appropriate avatar.

 

[Ty Webb]

I never met a fat loser who wasn't trying to find some place to try and make a hero of himself. I think it comes from the lack of female company.

Or, in other examples, a case of microphallus. :erm:

 

[tankerhead]

Christmas spirit and good tidings clearly shelved until next December. So, ******************** all y'all!!!!!!!

 

[livin'thesim]

Or, in other examples, a case of microphallus. :erm:

Fat man's disease is even more lethal than short man's disease.

 

[Ty Webb]

Fat man's disease is even more lethal than short man's disease.

Says who? Such a claim should be verified.

Rush Limbaugh vs Tom Cruise?

Let's get ready to ruuuummmmmbbbbllle!!!

:laugh:

 

[livin'thesim]

Well, yeah, but in the strictest sense those syndromes do not apply to men who are wildly successful in their chosen fields. Besides, there are plenty of short or fat guys who aren't afflicted as such. It's just when they are, it is predictable.

Ever hear stories about those basement-dwelling nerds who put on superhero costumes and then go out in public and try to do good deeds? Of course, they're not stopping the Joker, or Lex Luther from a sinister plot for world domination, they are usually rescuing kittens out of trees or changing flat tires for little old ladies.

What happens when the superhero costume includes a set of epaulettes?

I'll let you fill in the blanks on that one.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, yeah, but in the strictest sense those syndromes do not apply to men who are wildly successful in their chosen fields. Besides, there are plenty of short or fat guys who aren't afflicted as such. It's just when they are, it is predictable.

What happens when the superhero costume includes a set of epaulettes?

Hmmmm, not sure. Maybe, "you get to fly in tights"?

:laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, yeah, but in the strictest sense those syndromes do not apply to men who are wildly successful in their chosen fields. Besides, there are plenty of short or fat guys who aren't afflicted as such. It's just when they are, it is predictable.

Wait a minute! Aren't we, as Major Airline Pilots, the epitome of "wildly successful in our chosen fields"? Does this mean our "vertically and/or horizontally challenged" brothers get a pass on the syndrome, or not?

This psychology stuff is tougher than I thought.

What happens when the superhero costume includes a set of epaulettes?

Hmmmm, not sure. Maybe, "they get to fly in tights"?

:laugh:

 

[Dan Roman]

Still have worst retirement "plan" of the majors

True, it was interesting how SWA made a big PR deal that they had the "best 401K plan" While it's certainly debatle that their choices are better than anyone else's plan, they simply don't put as much in as other airlines do. I would think SWAPA would be raising hell about that.

 

[livin'thesim]

Not horizontally challenged - horizontally augmented.