SWA is in position to dominate ATL

[Dan Roman]

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone could perceive that the article in the beginning of this post alludes to anything about SWA dominating ATL????? It seems to say the opposite to me. This could also be their Waterloo.

 

[Dan Roman]

And yes there are SOME SWA pilots that do taxi way too fast and it's at the very least unprofessional and identifes them as second rate pilots. But not all of them by any means. Yes there are some legacy pilots that taxi too slow, again very few. Also as Flopgut said, legacy pilots in widebodies usually have longer PA recordings and they have to plan for that. I would guess it's about the same number of legacy pilots that drag their feet as there are Danica Patrick wannabees at SWA.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you could explain how that is Fair and Equitable to me then maybe I'll agree with you.

Gup

Not sure what you mean, Gup. Obviously, I don't think that scalping AAI Captains is "fair and equitable" . . .

BTW, determining what is "Fair and Equitable" requires a high degree of objectivity . . . I doubt any of us are really able to be that objective, myself included.

 

[redflyer65]

Yup . . . . and they're the same ones that somehow feel entitled to the Captain seats in the planes AAI is bringing to the merger. . . . . . and are threatening to stink up the place if they don't get their way. :erm:

I could careless whether you keep your seat or not, but it would be nice if you could explain why a 12 year Southwest FO could be jumped over by an 8 year AAI CA that is getting ready to obtain a windfall. It's not even close to reality...and most of the AAI guys understand that. Except for a few on FI.

Arrogant? Do all of you have General and OYS on ignore? That's apples and organges as well.

 

[GuppyWN]

Not sure what you mean, Gup. Obviously, I don't think that scalping AAI Captains is "fair and equitable" . . .

BTW, determining what is "Fair and Equitable" requires a high degree of objectivity . . . I doubt any of us are really able to be that objective, myself included.

Thanks Ty,

So you're saying that it MIGHT be Fair and Equitable for a 7 year Airtran Captain to lose "his" seat if he gets compensated FAIRLY and EQUITABLY?

Gup

 

[Lear70]

If you could explain how that is Fair and Equitable to me then maybe I'll agree with you.

Gup

I'm still trying to figure out how taking a Captain's seat away from him is "fair and equitable", since no one else has been able to explain how it's fair, more of an argument about comparable money than how it's right to take someone's seat away. Hell, even RAH/F9 didn't displace Captains, and F9 was in bankruptcy!

Not to mention the training involved in displacing 200 or so junior CA's into different aircraft. Potentially 600-800 training events at $25k or so a pop? You know SWA management wouldn't appreciate that kind of wasteful money spending (which is why fences are historically put in place).

Just a thought...

 

[Ty Webb]

I could careless whether you keep your seat or not, but it would be nice if you could explain why a 12 year Southwest FO could be jumped over by an 8 year AAI CA that is getting ready to obtain a windfall.

Your question suggests you haven't read the definition of "windfall" in regards to M-B/ Allegheny Mohawk, etc.

"Windfall", in the context of SLI involves a "taking from one party" and "giving to another". Being on the same hourly pay is not a "windfall", since it doesn't take away from anyone.

Taking a Captain seat from one, and giving it to another would be much closer to the meaning of "windfall".

It's not even close to reality...and most of the AAI guys understand that. Except for a few on FI.

Actually, if you strike the responses from both AAI and SWA guys, (and the General and OYS) you'll find that most pilots on here are telling you that all that really matters in the end are seat, equipment, and how long you anticipate being in that seat for until you retire.

Hourly pay rates, drink specials, and friendly management aren't going to replace those constants.

 

[miles otoole]

Jeez-just let a neutral unbiased arbitrator decide and then move on, all toward a better COMPANY. Plenty of $$$ to go around (especially with people flying 200+ TFPs/ month.

 

[GuppyWN]

Lear,

I'm not going there!

I'm simply saying there are two sides to every coin.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Jeez-just let a neutral unbiased arbitrator decide and then move on, all toward a better COMPANY. Plenty of $$$ to go around (especially with people flying 200+ TFPs/ month.

A neutral unbiased arbitrator that doesn't fly airplanes for a living and doesn't understand the nuances of our business?

I'm holding out for a negotiated settlement. It WILL be better for all of us.

Gup