SWA Int'l Ops

[Flopgut]

Yup, all the new -800 deliveries (starting in Feb 12) will come ETOPS from the factory. We also elected to add a new paint scheme option on them, in that instead of having "ETOPS" painted on the nose gear doors, it will say, "AK-killers. Blow me, Fubi."

Bubba

PS Legal Disclaimer: That last statement was intended solely as a joke/parody, and should not be taken seriously in any way. No actual offense to any airline, entity, or person, living or dead, should be inferred. All FAA regulations regarding proper aircraft markings will be followed as prescribed. Any anti-Fubi statements are solely for the innocent amusement of the author, and everyone else on this forum who shakes his or her head and sighs, "oh, that zany Fubi," everytime he makes a post.

Yeah, you just order it like adding the Lariat package to new F-250. Seriously, all the heavy lifting has been done on the airplane side. Your ops and trng are what need approval. It's not a no-brainer and I hope you guys take it serious.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Yeah, you just order it like adding the Lariat package to new F-250. Seriously, all the heavy lifting has been done on the airplane side. Your ops and trng are what need approval. It's not a no-brainer and I hope you guys take it serious.

I don't disagree. All I was pointing out was that every -800 we get from Boeing over the next few years will have the ETOPS/Lariat package included. Clearly, there will be all the required training for our Pilots/FAs/Dispatchers/Ops etc., and it will be taken seriously. But now it looks like 35 of 'em in 2012 alone. That should tell people something. When SWA commits to something, it does it in a big way (think DEN). The rumor is, that it will be -800s to HI and AK in 2012, then other places later (still working on upgrading our res system). In my opinion, that's good news for all of us at SWA (and Airtran), but less good for Alaska Airlines, with added competition from us.

Bubba

 

[XR650R]

Yeah, you just order it like adding the Lariat package to new F-250. Seriously, all the heavy lifting has been done on the airplane side. Your ops and trng are what need approval. It's not a no-brainer and I hope you guys take it serious.

This is Southwest we're talking about here..it will be the King Ranch version, not the Lariat.
On a serious note, I hear the 800's are going to be fitted with CPDLC which is light years better than doing HF position reports. Maybe, even maybe..wait for it......Printers too! Quite an extravagance for a WN cockpit.

 

[Flopgut]

The 800 is not the best ETOPS airplane. One crossfeed, not a lot of altitude flexibility and not much fuel. It won't be the weak link at SWA, and neither will the pilots quite honestly. Your dispatchers and mechanics will have to get up to speed. (Your going to have to watch the MEL) The West Coast to Hawaii is actually the most demanding ETOPS route in the world. You've got to be frosty.

 

[scoreboardII]

Frosty or thirsty? There's a big difference.

King Ranch version? YGBSM!

This is SWA, we'll be lucky to get two tone paint, vinyl seats and mud flaps let alone a Ranger package.

 

[Flopgut]

Frosty or thirsty?

Both!!

You guys will really like the 800.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Its not ops or training that is the big hurdle to ETOPS. Its MAINTENANCE. And you boys have had a number of maintenance problems lately.

You can buy all the ETOPS equipped airplanes you want, but if your maintenance department can't cut it, you won't get certified. And getting that sign off goes WAY above the SWA POI/PMI.

 

[Mamma]

I don't disagree. All I was pointing out was that every -800 we get from Boeing over the next few years will have the ETOPS/Lariat package included. Clearly, there will be all the required training for our Pilots/FAs/Dispatchers/Ops etc., and it will be taken seriously. But now it looks like 35 of 'em in 2012 alone. That should tell people something. When SWA commits to something, it does it in a big way (think DEN). The rumor is, that it will be -800s to HI and AK in 2012, then other places later (still working on upgrading our res system). In my opinion, that's good news for all of us at SWA (and Airtran), but less good for Alaska Airlines, with added competition from us.

Bubba

I don't think Alaska will take a big hit from SWA going to Hawaii. There is a ton of business to go around and to be blunt, SWA does not offer much of anything better. Your business will probably be from your entire US feed....ie someone wanting to go from Islip to HNL. Now they can book SWA the entire way. Sure you will get some of Alaska's feed if you can beat the price but there is plenty to go around so everyone should do fine.

On the upside.....it is impossible to non-rev on Alaska to the Hawaiian islands as every seat is usually full. Hopefully the entrance of SWA will make non-rev travel possible!

 

[Sacha]

Its not ops or training that is the big hurdle to ETOPS. Its MAINTENANCE. And you boys have had a number of maintenance problems lately.

You can buy all the ETOPS equipped airplanes you want, but if your maintenance department can't cut it, you won't get certified. And getting that sign off goes WAY above the SWA POI/PMI.

Do you really want to talk about maintenance problems?! Do you really? Just when I think you can't post anything more ignorant and stupid, you prove me wrong...

You really were the Squadron "Gomer". Hell...you were the "Gomer" of the entire Fleet....

 

[scoreboardII]

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[Fubijaakr]

We have ETOPS, Sacka. You don't. Neither does Allegiant. They were supposed to be flying 757s to Hawai'i LAST summer. Oh well...

 

[Sacha]

You made a statement accusing Southwest of having poor maintenance. You want to go down that path you ignorant pri&@k? Go ahead. I have my NTSB links detailing accidents attributable to airline maintenance. Don't see Southwest on it. Do you?

 

[nimtz]

You made a statement accusing Southwest of having poor maintenance. You want to go down that path you ignorant pri&@k? Go ahead. I have my NTSB links detailing accidents attributable to airline maintenance. Don't see Southwest on it. Do you?

You sure are a cranky old bag.

 

[Fubijaakr]

SWA loses $130M in the 3Q and you guys think the God King will make the investment required to get ETOPS certification?

Maybe if you give him a huge pay cut.

Until that happens, enjoy your ROC, TUL and LBB layovers.

 

[MCDU]

SWA loses $130M in the 3Q and you guys think the God King will make the investment required to get ETOPS certification?

Maybe if you give him a huge pay cut.

Until that happens, enjoy your ROC, TUL and LBB layovers.

Fudgpacker. They made money. That is called smart accounting.

M

 

[slaquer5]

SWA loses $130M in the 3Q and you guys think the God King will make the investment required to get ETOPS certification?

Maybe if you give him a huge pay cut.

Until that happens, enjoy your ROC, TUL and LBB layovers.

U sure hate SWA. I sure would Love to know the real reason. Do u even look at what u write?

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[Fubijaakr]

As usual, post the truth and the only response: "You're a HATER!"

What a bunch of crybabies.

 

[SWA Bubba]

As usual, post the truth and the only response: "You're a HATER!"

What a bunch of crybabies.

Well, geez, Fubi. EVERYONE knows you're a SWA hater. Literally everyone. That's not the issue. He just asked why, and you dodged the question with another pejorative. How about actually answering? Why?

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

No, I've answered it...its the gross arrogance of some of the posters here. Again, I don't hate SWA. I can't stand the SWA egos on parade here.

I revel in any chance I get to deflate your little balloons. Call me crazy....

 

[tankerhead]

Crazy. As a sh!thouse rat.

 

[dicko]

As ugly as a hat full of arseholes.

 

[SKC]

Maybe, even maybe..wait for it......Printers too! Quite an extravagance for a WN cockpit.

Yes, they will have printers. Flt plan formats already being tailored for them.

 

[SKC]

The rumor is, that it will be -800s to HI and AK in 2012,

More likely early 2013 for HI. Won't have flight planning system rolled out until late 2012. Can't do HI without it.

 

[dicko]

Yes, they will have printers. Flt plan formats already being tailored for them.

Will they be CPDLC equipped ? Why don't they use the AirTran system for the flight planning ? It's already set up for ETP's etc.

 

[SKC]

Will they be CPDLC equipped ? Why don't they use the AirTran system for the flight planning ? It's already set up for ETP's etc.

I believe so.

Air Tran uses Sabre for flight planning and while it is capable of Intl planning, it doesn't do it well. It's a very labor-intensive process to compute an Intl plan.

SWA's system is being replaced by a Jepp system since our current one can't handle Intl, ETOPS, or even multi-fleet. So, I'm sure the AT folks will be happy to dump Sabre.

 

[Whataburger]

As ugly as a hat full of arseholes.

That little diddy will be added to my bag of tricks. Bueno.

 

[GuppyWN]

Air Tran uses Sabre for flight planning and while it is capable of Intl planning, it doesn't do it well. It's a very labor-intensive process to compute an Intl plan.

Uh oh. You mean we can't just gas it up, get direct Honolulu and flirt with LT on the ACARS for 6 hours?

I've got a steep learning curve ahead of me!

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

What? The "schedule" is slipping? Say it ain't so!

 

[SKC]

Uh oh. You mean we can't just gas it up, get direct Honolulu and flirt with LT on the ACARS for 6 hours?

I've got a steep learning curve ahead of me!

Gup

Not now you can't, except for ACARS Picture time with LT. . Yeah, the full system won't even be rolled out when we have to start table top exercises for ETOPS.

 

[Wesb737fo]

There should be an annual award for the most obnoxious poster on FI. Sort of like the Oscar Awards. Instead of a statue there should be like a gold toilet seat . Any other ideas?