SWA goes after RJs again

[PCL_128]

You don't have to lose any money for it. Your schedules aren't exactly loaded with money, despite what you think. Our average line value was always a lot higher than yours, but with mostly commutable trips. It's about how the pairings are constructed, and constructing them with an artificial constraint that requires a min day of 5.0 will screw up commutable schedules every time.

 

[HowardBorden]

Howie, a number being bigger doesn't necessarily make it "leading." Reference golf scores, for example. If your ADG and min day mean I spend more days away from home because I can't commute, then it's not "leading."

You absolutely can't win on this BS argument! The reason we average more days off than everyone else is exactly because of our industry leading rigs. We don't do 30 hour sits in out stations because of our industry leading rigs. If we sat in an out station for 30 hours (a day not spent at home), we would be paid a minimum of 5 TFP's or the ADG of 6.5 for doing so.

Industry leading pay? No!

Southwest 737: $216

Delta 737: $212
United: $205
Alaska: $200
American: $181
USAir: $181

Good Lord man, stop trying to defend these positions that are simply indefensible.

 

[waveflyer]

No, I don't consider your ADG and min day industry leading, because they create worse schedules!

Industry leading pay? No!

I'll give you the industry leading scope, but as I said, it's basically irrelevant.

Worse schedules.

This is simply an opinion on your part.

You say non-commutable- but this is airline 6 for me- 4 of which were hub and spoke -
It's that model which creates commutable schedules, not our rigs. Our bases are created when we reach a tipping point with terminators. A hub and spoke carrier has bases in their hubs-
It's just a different dynamic

Prove that one out a little more - how would lowering our rigs make better schedules. If there are other ways to skin that car- please demonstrate.

As for commutable my sleep improved and blood pressure dropped significantly when I got hired here.

I don't commute and I will say that I like getting off work and having a bank of flights to catch - just for when I want to travel.
It bums me out a little that SWA doesn't have that bc for me to travel now, it's go home, unpack, sleep, get back in the monkey suit and nonrev-
It's much nicer to just go when you're already there.
And I see how it sucks for commuters-
But for family and healthy living?

I love flying my PMs and keeping my sleep consistent.

117 didn't address it, but the #1 most fatiguing element of airline schedules is reversing your sleep schedule each and every week. Day 1: start late, maybe commute in in the morning. Fly til midnight-
Fly 4 days- and by the last day up at 4am to be done before that last bank or two.
Day 5 was always zombie day no matter how easy the flying in between was-
I also love that our model has me doing more flying in 3 days than I used to do in 4. And on much smaller duty times.
At hub and spoke, we routinely would fly 12+ hours- several times per month-
We bitch about 10 hours here.

It isn't perfect but my body goes to bed and wakes at the same time every day working or not-
And that will make one happier and healthier over time

 

[Nindiri]

And this is why we won't get a better contract.

 

[Scoot 11]

This from a lav dumper.....but your dude friends "LUV" your blue hands and teeth. Drink up D-weed!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Slow day as a Skywest dispatcher, A'hole?
You better shine up those knee pads kid, cause the f/a you're blowing continues to give you wrong info!
D-bag!

 

[HowardBorden]

Our average line value was always a lot higher than yours, but with mostly commutable trips. It's about how the pairings are constructed, and constructing them with an artificial constraint that requires a min day of 5.0 will screw up commutable schedules every time.

What were the day off totals of these lines with "line values always a lot higher"?

At SWA we average 18 days off for line holders and 15 for reserve.

And as an aside, I am a commuter and I fly non-commutable trips about 2% of the time. Occasionally I will fly an AM trip simply because it fits where I need it to and I spend an extra night in a hotel. Every one of my PM trips do not require a hotel stay on the beginning or end of a pairing.

 

[waveflyer]

No nindiri-
We do need a better contract with improvements-
But pcl just doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[waveflyer]

Howie, it's not a commutable line unless you never need a hotel on your dime. Common at most airlines.

My point is that 4 day domestic trips are also the standard vs rare at SWA. The real comparison is a fully commutable, relatively inefficient 4 day at a hub and spoke vs out commutable on 1 side only, efficient, 3 day - out of pocket for the other night and all day to make the commute.

 

[HowardBorden]

Howie, it's not a commutable line unless you never need a hotel on your dime. Common at most airlines.

My point is that 4 day domestic trips are also the standard vs rare at SWA. The real comparison is a fully commutable, relatively inefficient 4 day at a hub and spoke vs out commutable on 1 side only, efficient, 3 day - out of pocket for the other night and all day to make the commute.

I never need a hotel on my dime. Sometimes I choose to pay for a hotel on my dime because it works out better for my scheduling needs. Normally, i.e. 98% of the time I fly PM trips. I commute in the day it begins in the AM, and I commute home on a red-eye the day it ends. The only time I buy a hotel room is when I choose to do so because it makes my life easier and that is done rarely at most.

 

[waveflyer]

Ah-
Well, lots of commutes have no such red-eyes- but I get you