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A pretty good article breaking down the vote by position and base. This may be old news to SWA members, but for the rest of us it may have some good info. As I am not a SWA person, I am curious as to why the bases broke out that way.

It has the following catagories.

Vote by rank
Rank For Against First officers 38.6% 61.4% Captains 59.6% 40.4%


Vote by base
Base For Against Baltimore 43.8% 56.3% Chicago 51.9% 48.1% Dallas 50.8% 49.2% Houston 52.4% 47.6% Las Vegas 52.9% 47.1% Oakland 47.3% 52.7% Orlando 41.6% 58.4% Phoenix 51.9% 48.1%
Breakdown of "yes" vote by base
 

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A pretty good article breaking down the vote by position and base. This may be old news to SWA members, but for the rest of us it may have some good info. As I am not a SWA person, I am curious as to why the bases broke out that way.

It has the following catagories.

Vote by rank
Rank For Against First officers 38.6% 61.4% Captains 59.6% 40.4%


Vote by base
Base For Against Baltimore 43.8% 56.3% Chicago 51.9% 48.1% Dallas 50.8% 49.2% Houston 52.4% 47.6% Las Vegas 52.9% 47.1% Oakland 47.3% 52.7% Orlando 41.6% 58.4% Phoenix 51.9% 48.1%
Breakdown of "yes" vote by base


Vegas had a large percentage of YES voters because their SWAPA representative has been spewing fear of Furloughs and Immediate Arbitration if the TA would not pass.
 

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After facing the realities of Age 65, they probably had their Captain BS detectors re-calibrated.
 

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Still the highest paid 737 pilots that I know of. So what's the rush????
 

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I voted NO and all of my buddies voted NO. I am surprised the vote was as close as it was.
 

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I voted NO and all of my buddies voted NO. I am surprised the vote was as close as it was.

I bet it's because some of your buddies are full of crap and voted yes, same way at all airlines. Sheep, sheep. sheep.......
 

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Vegas had a large percentage of YES voters because their SWAPA representative has been spewing fear of Furloughs and Immediate Arbitration if the TA would not pass.

You might want to explain to your SWAPA reps that arbitration under Section 6 of the RLA is voluntary. It can't be forced on you for rejecting a TA.
 

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You might want to explain to your SWAPA reps that arbitration under Section 6 of the RLA is voluntary. It can't be forced on you for rejecting a TA.

Trust me, I know. They know. But we have a lot of pilots here that are flying their first airline. They have no clue how this RLA thing works and some SWAPA members have been taking advantage of this by spreading the doom and gloom around to try and get this turd TA voted in.
 

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"...we have a lot of pilots here that are flying their first airline."

Read this as :

"We have a lot of former military pilots here that are flying their first airline."

Now, before you all jump on me.... U.S. military pilots are some of the best ( if not the best ) trained pilots in the World.

The key word in that sentence, however, is "trained".

Trained from square one to believe in Uncle Sam, to respect the Chain-of-Command, to believe that if they put forth their best efforts for "The Team", that "The Team" will take care of them.

It takes them several years sometimes, once they are thrust into the 121/airline environment, to learn that there is NO "Team" in the airline world.

Unfortunately, there is Management and Labor, and those of the former could give two sh!ts about the latter.

I realize that this is a huge generalization and there are a lot of sharp former military folks who don't fit this bill.

But like everything in Life, there is a learning curve and it takes some people awhile to understand how Management, Labor, The RLA, etc. all interact in the Real World.

Doesn't make 'em Bad Guys, but it does explain why airline management "Luvs" (in this case ) to hire ex-military.

"Yes, SIR! Thank You, SIR!"


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Excellent post, WhineLover!! It's unfortunate that those with no prior airline experience are finally seeing the light they've been taken advantage of all these years.
 

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It takes them several years sometimes, once they are thrust into the 121/airline environment, to learn that there is NO "Team" in the airline world.

Those of us at AirTran figured this out about the time we finished IOE!
 

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Look guys, most of us here at SWA know we are fat some 250 - 300 pilots. Unless something happens soon , the company will lay off , its just a matter of time. That would have happened no matter how the TA vote went. I dont like it , but we are now run by bean counters like everyone else .
 

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" All things that evoke change become that which was before." - Ramsay

Without "Rise" there can be no "Decline".

SWA = Start-Up = Legacy = Defunct

In the words of The Great Bobby Zimmerman:

"Time will tell, who has fell...and who's been left behind. You go your way, I'll go mine."

It just is what it IS. What has been, will always Be. Until it is no longer.

R.I.P : PanAm, Midway, Eastern, Braniff, TWA, etc., etc., etc.,...

" It's just Life. Get over it. " - YKMKR


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Look guys, most of us here at SWA know we are fat some 250 - 300 pilots. Unless something happens soon , the company will lay off , its just a matter of time. That would have happened no matter how the TA vote went. I dont like it , but we are now run by bean counters like everyone else .

If you believe we're fat by 250 to 300 pilots then I've got some land down in Florida you might be interested in? Look at the reserve lines and what the people flying them are blocking/crediting; you'll be surprised it's a large number! Also, the company hasen't even started RNP training which will take more available bodies off the line. I'm no expert when it comes to "bean counting" but I just can't believe we are that over-manned. If the "F" word does happen then I suggest the FO side of the house prepare to "bend over". I'd love to hear someone explain to me the other side of the argument. Fly Safe!
 

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We are fat by historical standards, but we are not fat. The guys who used to fly 180 a month can only squeeze out 130. I can't crack 110, but I'm a junior captain. All the lines pay well above the guarantee. When the company can't write lines that pay the guarantee, THEN we are fat. Just because you can't fly what you are used to doesn't mean we close to furloughing dudes. We aren't going to furlough unless we shrink quite a bit more.
 

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Wait a second, is that a no voter spreading doom and gloom??? How can that be?
The chain begins with voluntary leaves/furloughs then migrates to everyone taking a lower block/guarantee to help keep people on property. Are you saying you aren't going to be helping your brothers and sisters out if the time comes?


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