SWA FO Pay Rates?

[vixin]

I thank SWAPA for age 65.

Do you really?

 

[Ticker]

You can thank SWAPA for that huge pay bump.

Pay bump? What pay bump? Ohhhh....the one most of us will see in 2015? Yeahhhh.

Please, keep providing unsolicited "you're welcomes" in the terminals, crew busses and elsewhere. It comes off as conceited, arrogant, pompous and makes it easier to pinpoint the imbiciles right off the bat.

I still believe that Southwest is a good company with a lot of great people. If anybody is to blame for its eventual downfall, that small percentage described above have only to look as far as the closest mirror.

Pride preceedeth the fall.

Stay classy jimmy.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Love how a simple honest question got turned into this, you guys are pathetic! When I retire in 25 years, you guys will still be bickering about this stupid crap!!! Fly with any of the 23k guys and start a conversation about "Morris", same crap and that was 20 years ago!

The mergers are not done, you may want to save some of your hatred!

KBB

 

[waveflyer]

Really? In that case, he violated federal law in a very serious way. Maybe you should check with Gary before you start crediting him with things that would land him in jail. Anti-trust laws are serious business.

If you don't want be labeled an idiot, you shouldn't post idiotic things^^^

 

[jimmykjet]

Pay bump? What pay bump? Ohhhh....the one most of us will see in 2015? Yeahhhh.

Please, keep providing unsolicited "you're welcomes" in the terminals, crew busses and elsewhere. It comes off as conceited, arrogant, pompous and makes it easier to pinpoint the imbiciles right off the bat.

I still believe that Southwest is a good company with a lot of great people. If anybody is to blame for its eventual downfall, that small percentage described above have only to look as far as the closest mirror.

Pride preceedeth the fall.

Stay classy jimmy.

Really,

95% Strike vote.

No progress whatsoever with your management....

Them all of sudden post announcement.

Boom... 30% Pay Raise right before Christmas????

Yeah, that pay bump... Remember???

 

[redflyer65]

Have to agree with Jimmy on this one.

SW announces purchase, then a new contract on the table.

It would have been another year before AAI would have had anything to vote on. Management was pulling a complete Heisman. Payrates weren't even close to being done.

The AAI CEO had to clean up his house for the sale. Pretty simple. AAI could easily still be working under the old payrates.....NOW!

 

[humveedriver]

Hey, I was just illustrating that even WITH the bump in pay, my FO peer at SWA cleans my clock financially. It's all about those trip thingies. They lead to a bigger pay day then the rate.

 

[Spud]

Really,

95% Strike vote.

No progress whatsoever with your management....

Them all of sudden post announcement.

Boom... 30% Pay Raise right before Christmas????

Yeah, that pay bump... Remember???

Just more of the lottery winnings... Yea!

Thank You!

 

[redflyer65]

I heard your MEC lost the lottery ticket. Hopefully they find it...

 

[Spud]

I heard your MEC lost the lottery ticket. Hopefully they find it...

Me too!

 

[Ticker]

Really,

95% Strike vote.

No progress whatsoever with your management....

Them all of sudden post announcement.

Boom... 30% Pay Raise right before Christmas????

Yeah, that pay bump... Remember???

Ok...I'll give you that. I'll even fess up that after MY KY Brown Bourbon I got a little testy and assumed you were talking about the SW Pay Rates...touche'.

Post announcement, my rate went up nowhere near 30%. The percentage it went up was offset by the reduction in flying we have now. My paycheck is the same now matter how I bid. I've tried...trust me. We have captains who now are facing downgrade because they made bidding decisions based on inaccurate information that some believe was intentionally misrepresented. Those pilots are facing a very real pay CUT.

Jimmy, when you offer a "you're welcome" to someone who didn't say "Thank You" first, you're acting like a conceited, arrogant, pompous, jerk. You can thank one of your super senior FA's this morning who did just that for my bad mood.

KYBB...if you guys do the "You're Welcome" thing to those cranky Morris Air guys, I can't say I blame them.

Y'all put your shorts on just like the rest of us...one leg at a time. Stop looking down your noses at us and you might realize we're a good bunch.


“Praise can be your most valuable asset as long as you don't aim it at yourself.”

Orlando A. Battista

 

[jimmykjet]

Ok...I'll give you that. I'll even fess up that after MY KY Brown Bourbon I got a little testy and assumed you were talking about the SW Pay Rates...touche'.

Post announcement, my rate went up nowhere near 30%. The percentage it went up was offset by the reduction in flying we have now. My paycheck is the same now matter how I bid. I've tried...trust me. We have captains who now are facing downgrade because they made bidding decisions based on inaccurate information that some believe was intentionally misrepresented. Those pilots are facing a very real pay CUT.

Jimmy, when you offer a "you're welcome" to someone who didn't say "Thank You" first, you're acting like a conceited, arrogant, pompous, jerk. You can thank one of your super senior FA's this morning who did just that for my bad mood.

KYBB...if you guys do the "You're Welcome" thing to those cranky Morris Air guys, I can't say I blame them.

Y'all put your shorts on just like the rest of us...one leg at a time. Stop looking down your noses at us and you might realize we're a good bunch.


“Praise can be your most valuable asset as long as you don't aim it at yourself.”

Orlando A. Battista

Ticker,

Never ever mentioned you were not a good bunch, in fact I know you are a great bunch!

I have many friends at AirTran and welcome each and everyone of you guys aboard.

I admit. None of us asked for this! My point is simply, we are labor. The decisions management makes with our families livelihoods are tied to a mutual success. We are turning your modestly profitable airline into a potentially unprofitable sector of SWA just by the points I made.

No bag fees
No Biz Seats
Large pay raises across the board

This truly is an experiment we WILL ALL LIVE THROUGH. Like it or not.

I do not know the outcome, however. I do know we are changing the way SWA does business and I'm very very nervous.

BTW

Welcome Aboard Brother!

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I do know we are changing the way SWA does business and I'm very very nervous.

Don't take that out on us too. We had nothing to do with that either.

 

[jimmykjet]

Don't take that out on us too. We had nothing to do with that either.

Maybe if you reread my posts, you'll notice I was not taking anything out on you.

Just making observations.

Quit being so damned sensitive ladies...

 

[b747dogg]

1.1393 x trip rate = per hour is the published conversion rate.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Y'all put your shorts on just like the rest of us...one leg at a time. Stop looking down your noses at us and you might realize we're a good bunch.

Actually, I don't do that. I hold my shorts and then jump into the air, landing with both legs through the appropriate leg-holes at the same time. It's more challenging that way. What can I say?--I'm a rebel. One of these days, though, I'm probably gonna' miss and land on my face.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

If you don't want be labeled an idiot, you shouldn't post idiotic things^^^

I agree. Claiming that Gary was exercising financial control over a competitor that Southwest did not yet own, violating numerous federal laws in the process, was a pretty idiotic thing for him to say.

Anyone who was involved can tell you that Southwest took a completely hands off approach not only with negotiations, but with just about every aspect of AirTran's business prior to SOC. They were incredibly cautious about anti-trust issues, to the point that many felt that they were being too cautious.

 

[redflyer65]

PCL

You would have us believe that Airtran management just decided to give you an agreement because they suddenly felt you deserved one? Had absolutely nothing to do with the announcement one week beforehand?

 

[humveedriver]

PCL

You would have us believe that Airtran management just decided to give you an agreement because they suddenly felt you deserved one? Had absolutely nothing to do with the announcement one week beforehand?

I guess you could say the announcement inspired the AirTran management team to formulate an offer that the pilots would be willing to accept. Essentially both parties wanted to see the purchase happen. AT management got paid, pilots got a potentially more stable career. AT management didn't have to worry about how the contract would impact the bottom line. That would be SWA's problem. Not that our current contract is out of line one way or the other.

 

[chjack]

I guess you could say the announcement inspired the AirTran management team to formulate an offer that the pilots would be willing to accept. Essentially both parties wanted to see the purchase happen. AT management got paid, pilots got a potentially more stable career. AT management didn't have to worry about how the contract would impact the bottom line. That would be SWA's problem. Not that our current contract is out of line one way or the other.

spot on, humvee!