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NAA Pilot said:
That is not a response from the Magic 8 Ball.
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SWA flight continues for 75 minutes after rapid depresurization!!
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That is not a response from the Magic 8 Ball.
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As a recently retired AA pilot I think the SWA crew did exactly what we would have done and continued to destination with the pressurization maintaining a safe cabin altitude. SWA does a fine job and AA might have to observe their operating procedures to learn how to compete in todays market.
AA used to make a profit making ultra conservative decisions taking the pilots out of the loop and just not caring about completing the mission. Now we have to fly a little smarter and let the pilots help get the job done safely. Ex Aircal where SWA learned their 25 minute turns.
AA used to make a profit making ultra conservative decisions taking the pilots out of the loop and just not caring about completing the mission. Now we have to fly a little smarter and let the pilots help get the job done safely. Ex Aircal where SWA learned their 25 minute turns.
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bubbers said:
The entire intrastate idea was sold to Herb based on AirCal and PSA. I flew both of them when I lived in CA, great airlines.
The tale begins on an afternoon in 1966 when businessman Rollin King strolled into a San Antonio law firm for a meeting. His attorney, Herb Kelleher, had been helping him dispose of his small commuter airline that was losing money flying to small towns like Laredo and Eagle Pass. Rollin wanted to discuss a new business venture. He proposed to serve large cities in Texas instead of the small towns his commuter airline was serving.
Herb did not know much about airlines at the time, but he definitely knew a crackpot idea when he heard one! He decided it was best to discuss this crazy idea elsewhere, so the two gentlemen headed to San Antonio’s elite St. Anthony’s Club. To illustrate his idea, Rollin drew a triangle on a cocktail napkin, with the corners representing the Texas cities of Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio.
Rollin expounded on his new idea. “Herb,” he said, “just listen a minute. As an intrastate carrier, we wouldn’t be subject to CAB (Civil Aeronautics Board) restrictions, and that offers all sorts of blessings and benefits right there. Oh, I know, a lot of intrastate carriers have had a hard time, but they weren’t in the right states. You’ve got to have a commercially booming state with some really big cities far enough apart to make bus or car travel inconvenient. Offhand, I only can think of two states like that. California’s one-and that’s why Pacific Southwest Airlines and Air California are going great guns as intrastate carriers. The other state is Texas, Herb, and we don’t have an airline like that.”
“Where would we get the capital?” asked Herb. Stunned, Rollin replied, “Capital? Oh, I guess we’ll have to raise it.”
Herb shut his eyes for several seconds, and when he opened them, there was Rollin grinning at him like a crazed man filled with determination.
Herb exclaimed, “Rollin, you’re crazy. Let’s do it!”
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"Those most concerned with the path of righteousness most often have very little acquaintance with the journey it provides....." Smart dead Asian guy
Its amazing to me how the glass house crowd throws the most stones. We should know as professional aviators that there are two types of pilots; those who have, and those who will. No group is immune from error or fate. This was a benign incident. Need we remind ourselves that neither our W2, nor the company listed on it make us the pilots, or men that we are, for better or for worse.
If you think that SWA has ingrained a culture of completion above all else, you are dead wrong. We have some great managers that allow us to think on our feet and move quickly to keep the machine moving. Nowhere do I recall safety being a secondary consideration. I never remember flying from SYR to MHT unpressurized as an emergency procedure....even in a jet. I have done it hundreds of times in many aircraft. Jets can do it too. I would recommend that those who dont work at SWA and choose to judge our culture or anything else for that matter, take a look at the thread pummelling jetblue about 5 year contracts and not paying for jets before you throw another stone.....but then again, maybe you were throwing stones there too. If you dont KNOW, you dont know.
PS Linecheck....look into your flying background and previous employers and look at the bodycount before you point a finger in anyones direction. Those who have, and those who will...remember. We all train and fly every day to avoid the "Will" category. Also, we all know that anyone can be had on a linecheck, I used to give em, and I have taken a bunch of em. The self righteous ones usually arent capable of passing their very own checkrides.
Its amazing to me how the glass house crowd throws the most stones. We should know as professional aviators that there are two types of pilots; those who have, and those who will. No group is immune from error or fate. This was a benign incident. Need we remind ourselves that neither our W2, nor the company listed on it make us the pilots, or men that we are, for better or for worse.
If you think that SWA has ingrained a culture of completion above all else, you are dead wrong. We have some great managers that allow us to think on our feet and move quickly to keep the machine moving. Nowhere do I recall safety being a secondary consideration. I never remember flying from SYR to MHT unpressurized as an emergency procedure....even in a jet. I have done it hundreds of times in many aircraft. Jets can do it too. I would recommend that those who dont work at SWA and choose to judge our culture or anything else for that matter, take a look at the thread pummelling jetblue about 5 year contracts and not paying for jets before you throw another stone.....but then again, maybe you were throwing stones there too. If you dont KNOW, you dont know.
PS Linecheck....look into your flying background and previous employers and look at the bodycount before you point a finger in anyones direction. Those who have, and those who will...remember. We all train and fly every day to avoid the "Will" category. Also, we all know that anyone can be had on a linecheck, I used to give em, and I have taken a bunch of em. The self righteous ones usually arent capable of passing their very own checkrides.
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Section 91.7: Civil aircraft airworthiness.
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft unless it is in an airworthy condition.
(b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur.
1. Did the pilots know there was not structual damage to the aircraft?
2. Would the 737 be consider "Airworthy after this event?
If you answer NO to any of those questions then you think these guys broke the FARs.
The FAA has violated several airline pilots for continuing flights when an unairworthy condition occurs in-flight.
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft unless it is in an airworthy condition.
(b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur.
1. Did the pilots know there was not structual damage to the aircraft?
2. Would the 737 be consider "Airworthy after this event?
If you answer NO to any of those questions then you think these guys broke the FARs.
The FAA has violated several airline pilots for continuing flights when an unairworthy condition occurs in-flight.
SWA/FO said:
Hero or Zero? Maybe it was the twit that had all the website postings on a.net. Any luck he will have some nice photos of the event to share. Bet he dug out the digi. camera as soon as the mask fell. They probably continued while he fixed his hair and tidy'd up his makeup for the photo shoot.
"Here I am modeling the latest in O2 mask wear. It does not go with my shoes or purse but I am really good at gulping O2", "Hey I am an individual not a number, Hrrrumph!"
That guy was good comedy.
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Prog 2/2 said:
--- you bring up some excellent points...
we did think of that.. trust me. as the event happened... it was too heavy for mdw. also cle, cmh, and pit, were at very low vis with light snow. that wouldn't of been wise. dtw was also messed up with low vis. as for the fuel... it was planned on a mountain wave dev route... which it flew through cuz atc said it was smooth... and it was a tanker leg through to bwi. We tanker through to cities... yes even on longhauls. trust me, we thought of it all.
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