SWA/FL Codeshare

[Ty Webb]

Nice post, Dash. Very true. :beer:

 

[Lear70]

Not according to the 8 year FAT Capt. I flew with. He told me he made more $$$ here as an FO than he ever made there as a Capt., and he wasn't busting his butt either. He must've been lying to me.

One of our more infamous CA's has been doing about $1,000 more a month as a senior MCO F/O than he was as a CA. However, he's also working 17-18 days a month and flying LOTS of POT versus working 12-13 days at AAI.

If guys fly the same avg days off and don't chase POT, they're making slightly less as F/O's.

Well, the FAT FO I flew with out of MCO must've been lying too.

There's only about two dozen AAI F/O's (not CA's, F/O's) who can even HOLD MCO, and the few who can will be on reserve. There are lots of former CA's who are holding MCO F/O, but if you are flying with a former AAI F/O who transitioned over as an F/O, he's probably one of the few who either didn't or couldn't upgrade here and is senior enough to hold those senior F/O lines.

I took a look, just hit $102 an hour here as an F/O flying guarantee at 75/76 hours a month with 18 days off a month I will make $90k pre-tax here no per diem included. At SWA at $120 (rough math) per trip, 89 TFP on reserve, I will make $128k or so my first 2 years until I get off reserve (best guess), not including the money I have to spend on a crash pad / hotels. Once you take that out at $300 or so a month, you're at around $124k, a $34k raise, or about 40% but with only 10 days or so off a month once you take out the commuting days (I don't count those as days off).

Will likely have to bid LAS to hold a VERY junior line, drop as much time as possible to get back to 17-18 days off a month, then trip trade in other bases to minimize my commute time to get even close to the same Quality of Life.

The money is there, no doubt about it. The Quality of Life will be much harder to attain.

 

[Lear70]

Nice post, Dash. Very true. :beer:

+1

I think yesterday everyone got a little testy. Glad to see we can all play nice, more and more as time goes by.

Happy Festivus!

and Merry Christmas as well... Yes, I'm Christian, but that was a d*mn funny Seinfeld episode.

 

[Tripower455]

What 8 year CA transitioned to SWA? The most junior CA I can see with an award is a October 2002 hire, with a January SWA class. That means he is leaving $162. an hour to go to your FO pay. Not a gain.

Not gonna name names, even if I could remember it. He told me he was an 8 year Capt at AT. Maybe it was 6 year Capt, but he WAS a Capt.

I'm sure the former FO is making more, but $40K/yr isn't 80%, it's more like 40%.

Just going by what he told me Ty.....

Where is the base list? I'd like to see how many of our FO's were awarded MCO.

SWALife.....

 

[Lear70]

We don't have access to that part of SWAlife yet. Been trying to get an updated base list by month from Russ M but no luck yet.

 

[General Lee]

First off, Although my reaction was the equivalent to a firecracker to a grenade, I apologize for anything I may have said offensive in last nights post. It was a weak moment that I let this worthless anonymous forum get the best of me. Again my sincere apologies.

Lear70, I would not want to be in your position. I would much rather be in mine. The SWAPA membership is unaware of any collusion between SWA and SWAPA. That would have spun the membership through the roof. Loyalty is the only issue SWA pilots may be guilty. And respectfully equal for the AT pilots. Until any agreement it was you vs us. Both sides were concerned of the impossible result of what was considered universally "fair". A very subjective term when you consider all the elements.

I can accept that you will never understand our point of view. If you were on the RSW side your view point would be completely different. I am certain mine would be also if I was on the AT side. We are all only the players. And it is the game that we all have the same feelings about. As the saying goes, hate the game, not the players.

Speaking of the game, I am on my seventh airline. We all know that with that many airlines the game has been not so nice. A couple furloughs, many displacements and fortunately I now work for a company that truly treats its employees very well. We feel like family. Its not perfect, but nothing ever will be. But it is hard to imagine it any better any where else. As much as you believe it untrue, the AT pilots and FAs I have talked to really do like it here. I am old and not easily fooled by fake behavior. It is genuine. I know not all AT employees will like it here. Change can be difficult especially when it is not your choice. But I have no doubt, most will.

No matter how many graphs or words you present on this forum will you be unable to change anyone's mind. Nor we with yours. Nor each others perspective. It is a logistical impossibility. Civility and lack of name calling requires maturity and self respect. I hope all of us can take the high road during this difficult transition.

Merry Christmas.

WELL SAID DASH! DASH FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE! What a sad attempt at trying to cover the obvious. Nice! And then he ends it with.........wait for it......Merry Christmas...... Good stuff.


Btw, you work for a company that DIDN'T TREAT SOME NEW EMPLOYEES WELL in their eyes. That is a problem.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan, what part of "AirTran does not exist anymore"don't you get? When a company is bought, whom is naturally going to have the higher stressor and pain? This is business and each side voted unanimously for what they got, don't forget that, there was no gun to head as oft heard here and misused.

Agreed and I'm saying much of the same, the point I made is the fact that the AT guys had, as you say, all that stress and pain that was heaped on them by SWA's actions has consequences. I also point said it was a little disingenuous to tell the AT guys to appreciate what SWA did to them and act as if everything is fine.
Mergers are bad, they are all about greed and many individuals have to pay for them with their hides. You can't pillage someone's airline and than not expect some downside to it.

 

[Tripower455]

So, is that what SWAPA used as an example ON HOW TO DO THIS? They used the OLD DL-Pan Am technique? They thought, hmmm, how can we do this? Wait, I got it, let's mirror it after something that happens 23 years ago.......yeah, that will make it right.....


Gimmee a break. So, how did those Dirty 30 ex 747 Captains go back to 767 Capt so quickly? That's not allowed with you guys.

I gotta question for you Tri. How did the Pan Am guys do it with the National Airlines merger? Answer: WHO CARES? YOU DO. Make it right TODAY...... Keep living in the past, and people today will NEVER FORGET. You guys use out dated excuses. It doesn't make it right TODAY.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I never made any excuses for anything.

Try to stay on point Kernal.

The almighty Delta did what you are accusing SW of doing, only worse, since the Pan Am guys were ON the Delta list, flying Delta Airplanes, making much less than the guy next to them on the list for over 2 years after getting there.

Even the "Dirty 30" were not given parity for 27 months after donning the Delta uniform.

It's good to know that this SLI will be viewed positively by you in 22 years.....

 

[Tripower455]

Btw, you work for a company that DIDN'T TREAT SOME NEW EMPLOYEES WELL in their eyes.

So do you......

 

[Dash Power]

WELL SAID DASH! DASH FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE! What a sad attempt at trying to cover the obvious. Nice! And then he ends it with.........wait for it......Merry Christmas...... Good stuff.


Btw, you work for a company that DIDN'T TREAT SOME NEW EMPLOYEES WELL in their eyes. That is a problem.


Bye Bye---General Lee

My sincerity extended to you also. I behaved in a way I would not be proud if my own son had. It is yours to do with what you want. As well as me wishing you a Merry Christmas. And if you find that offensive, then a sincere Happy Holidays.

Just like at any airline, or company for that matter, some will always feel "mistreated" for whom they work for. Southwest being no different.