Swa - etops certification

[General Lee]

He's trying to equate us not going to Hawaii with some kind of failure. Yet will have another profitable quarter followed by another 41+ years of profits, with no bankruptcy.

Gary's initiatives are hitting on all cylinders with a few to follow. Full cross country 800s. Six more seats on full 700s. Beginning to link systems with AAI. Getting ready to announce near international. Completing a new reservation system. Hawaii and Alaska to follow later.

Setting up and not finishing an ETOPS program is not a failure? How about a waste of time? How about not having a reservation system that can handle INTL flights? Huh? Who didn't figure that out prior to the merger? Was that a failure? Who botched that? How about alienating most of your AT brothers by having a 717 bid AND THEN selling them to another airline? Why have the bid in the first place? If it was contingent on DL and the DL contract allowing the 717s, why not wait for a bid until afterwards? That may not be a failure overall, but rather a huge mess.

Gary's initiatives started with deferring 30 738s. That doesn't mean it is hitting on all cylinders. Then you actually start fare sales, something that you never used to do. Mahalo Bra!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

From the Sudan (For the General)..


Slam Alikum

 

[redflyer65]

Setting up and not finishing an ETOPS program is not a failure? How about a waste of time? How about not having a reservation system that can handle INTL flights? Huh? Who didn't figure that out prior to the merger? Was that a failure? Who botched that? How about alienating most of your AT brothers by having a 717 bid AND THEN selling them to another airline? Why have the bid in the first place? If it was contingent on DL and the DL contract allowing the 717s, why not wait for a bid until afterwards? That may not be a failure overall, but rather a huge mess.

Gary's initiatives started with deferring 30 738s. That doesn't mean it is hitting on all cylinders. Then you actually start fare sales, something that you never used to do. Mahalo Bra!


Bye Bye---General Lee

General,

The bottom line is the bottom line. We are doing great, and Gary is making sure that continues....for all, including the AAI guys. The deferred planes are going to turn into 800 Max's, but you knew that right? Gary is looking ahead to better fuel economy. Delta is looking ahead to operating a 1960 model DC-9 another few years along with 10 total fleet types. We'll have ONE type with NO codeshare. It's apples and oranges brother.

ETOPS is still ongoing, whether you want to believe it or not. Check some of our 800 gear doors....we have at least 20 that say ETOPS. We aren't buying them that way to just impress the rampers, so get over it.

Oh, and we haven't had to use bankruptcy to get there. But you knew that too!

 

[General Lee]

From the Sudan (For the General)..


Slam Alikum

Sounds like you really don't know where we go. I do though know where you go, and that would be LBB, MAF, and AMA (notice not HNL).


See ya Bra!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Sounds like you really don't know where we go. I do though know where you go, and that would be LBB, MAF, and AMA (notice not HNL).


See ya Bra!


Bye Bye---General Lee

I love going to those places Gen. We make money there, YOU DON'T.

Try again.

 

[General Lee]

General,

The bottom line is the bottom line. We are doing great, and Gary is making sure that continues....for all, including the AAI guys. The deferred planes are going to turn into 800 Max's, but you knew that right? Gary is looking ahead to better fuel economy. Delta is looking ahead to operating a 1960 model DC-9 another few years along with 10 total fleet types. We'll have ONE type with NO codeshare. It's apples and oranges brother.

ETOPS is still ongoing, whether you want to believe it or not. Check some of our 800 gear doors....we have at least 20 that say ETOPS. We aren't buying them that way to just impress the rampers, so get over it.

Oh, and we haven't had to use bankruptcy to get there. But you knew that too!

Apples to oranges Bra. Your business is successful wih one plane type and 25 min turns. I didn't say it wasn't. But, the ETOPS thing isn't in the cards for you now, and it may take awhile. You also have internal issues (AT guys), and higher gas bills that necessitate raising fares. My airline has 10 fleet types or whatever because it needs different planes on different routes, all over the World. It also makes 4 times the revenue, twice the profits, and has a refinery that will give an advantage. Plus, there are a heck of a lot more retirements coming up, which is good for pilots.

You can't really compare us, bra.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Apples to oranges Bra. Your business is successful wih one plane type and 25 min turns. I didn't say it wasn't. But, the ETOPS thing isn't in the cards for you now, and it may take awhile. You also have internal issues (AT guys), and higher gas bills that necessitate raising fares. My airline has 10 fleet types or whatever because it needs different planes on different routes, all over the World. It also makes 4 times the revenue, twice the profits, and has a refinery that will give an advantage. Plus, there are a heck of a lot more retirements coming up, which is good for pilots.

You can't really compare us, bra.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I love that you bring up the refinery. That's going to turn out bad for you guys. 10 fleets types is insane, but enjoy that drag on the bottom line...along with the six day trips. Have fun in the Sudan, haha.

I find it funny that your sooo concerned about our ETOPS program and aircraft (that are already on line). We appreciate it!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Apples to oranges Bra. Your business is successful wih one plane type and 25 min turns. I didn't say it wasn't. But, the ETOPS thing isn't in the cards for you now, and it may take awhile. You also have internal issues (AT guys), and higher gas bills that necessitate raising fares. My airline has 10 fleet types or whatever because it needs different planes on different routes, all over the World. It also makes 4 times the revenue, twice the profits, and has a refinery that will give an advantage. Plus, there are a heck of a lot more retirements coming up, which is good for pilots.

You can't really compare us, bra.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Speaking of comparing, how is it that you GL, a supposed General, allowed Secret Squirrel to co-opt your avatar? What goes on here? If you were REALLY a general, I suspect you'd have the squirrel, who can't be any higher than a private, court-martialed for theft. Or at the very least, imitating and making fun of you.

Bubba

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

General
You keep referring to the word Bra... Isn't that an article of clothing you wear, i mean a woman. Anyone who knows anything about Hawaii knows its spelled Brah!!!
You can have HI Delta, Alaska and Latin America will make more $$$$.

 

[General Lee]

Speaking of comparing, how is it that you GL, a supposed General, allowed Secret Squirrel to co-opt your avatar? What goes on here? If you were REALLY a general, I suspect you'd have the squirrel, who can't be any higher than a private, court-martialed for theft. Or at the very least, imitating and making fun of you.

Bubba

I once had a "General Lee" painted monster truck as my avatar, but it took up 3/4 of the page. I thought it was great, but it had to go.

As far as someone imitating me or making fun of me (?), I just don't care. It doesn't affect me at all.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General
You keep referring to the word Bra... Isn't that an article of clothing you wear, i mean a woman. Anyone who knows anything about Hawaii knows its spelled Brah!!!
You can have HI Delta, Alaska and Latin America will make more $$$$.

Are you high, like your name? Sure you are. And every legacy has beaten you to Alaska, Latin America, and the Caribbean. You need AT's help to fly to the Caribbean, because you cannot. Come back here in 2015 and tell us how your first couple flights went across the border. Until then, enjoy Albany, bra.... And thanks for the Hawaii lesson, Magnum!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flynfish]

You can call me bra, but no call me panty, Brah!

 

[puddlejumper101]

not to validate anything around here but...Hawaii is off the table for the reasons Genital Lee was stating. There is an over saturation to Hawaii and Alligiant beat us to it. Plain and simple, Hawaii was going to happen sooner but our RES problem delayed everything and in the meantime Alligiant ramped up their Hawaii flying. Long story short, don't hold your breath on Hawaii...it might be a while......if ever.

 

[Whataburger]

Alaska Airlines pulled an old school SWA in Hawaii. ATA and Aloha disappeared, and before anyone could blink Alaska had 25%+ of the market. Good for them!!

I am glad Gary pulled the plug. It sucks in a way, but it's better than being led like sheep to slaughter.

 

[puddlejumper101]

Alaska Airlines pulled an old school SWA in Hawaii. ATA and Aloha disappeared, and before anyone could blink Alaska had 25%+ of the market. Good for them!!

I am glad Gary pulled the plug. It sucks in a way, but it's better than being led like sheep to slaughter.

I agree, plus think about it, the only reason ETOPS is needed is Hawaii...that's it. So does the cost justify the need? Especially since the only people truly headed to Hawaii would be rapid reward tickets. Since SWA changed its frequent flyer program, Hawaii would be full of people on reward tickets and non-revs. However, the bottom line problem continues to be our IT dept. I am sure SWA knows they need to get to San Juan and points beyond ASAP...but our RES system continues to get in the way. Spirit and Jetblue know this, hence they are multiplying like roaches south of the border. I have heard they would have been in San Juan 6 months ago if it wasn't for our res system.

IT guys at SWA see this place as a stepping stone to better jobs. They don't make a lot here, so one guy writes a program and then leaves. The next guy comes in here and figures out the program the last guy wrote, adds his two sense and leaves. Hence the problem, a patchwork of stuff created by a bunch of people that are no longer here. 2 years seniority in the IT Dept. at SWA is the equivalent of a 15 year employee in any other dept.

 

[Ty Webb]

I have heard they would have been in San Juan 6 months ago if it wasn't for our res system.
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Mmmm, probably not.

The Rez system needs to be upgraded for international flights, which require assigned seating for the manifest. . . San Juan isn't international, so I doubt that is a requirement for San Juan.

The problem, more likely, is the lack of domestic alternate airports.

 

[CptMurf]

You also need international arrival gates and customs. The only city that we have those in, at this point, is Atlanta and maybe Orlando (I believe). The infrastructure is the hold up, once it is in place a rapid expansion is possible.

 

[Ty Webb]

You also need international arrival gates and customs. The only city that we have those in, at this point, is Atlanta and maybe Orlando (I believe). The infrastructure is the hold up, once it is in place a rapid expansion is possible.

Not sure who you're referring to?

If you're talking about AAI, we also have them in BWI, TPA, DEN, SAT, MDW, SNA and maybe one or two others.

It's not that simple . . . . and that is why we have been saying all along that Int'l Ops (and the infrastructure, approvals, agreements and authorizations) have a great deal of value that was not being appreciated by those who haven't been through the process before.

 

[CptMurf]

Not sure who you're referring to?

If you're talking about AAI, we also have them in BWI, TPA, DEN, SAT, MDW, SNA and maybe one or two others.

It's not that simple . . . . and that is why we have been saying all along that Int'l Ops (and the infrastructure, approvals, agreements and authorizations) have a great deal of value that was not being appreciated by those who haven't been through the process before.

Easy now. "We" is combined ops, and there's a reason I said "I believe." Now, I know, thanks for that! My point was, it's not all reservation system, class II or Etops certification. We (combined ops because I, unlike some, am optimistic about it) need to build up the infrastructure of arrival cities and customs for any expansion over the current schedule. At least expansion as classic SWA defined it, over 7 departures a day.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Speaking of comparing, how is it that you GL, a supposed General, allowed Secret Squirrel to co-opt your avatar? What goes on here? If you were REALLY a general, I suspect you'd have the squirrel, who can't be any higher than a private, court-martialed for theft. Or at the very least, imitating and making fun of you.

Bubba

If he changes to my avatar again, I am going to have to get a restraining order.