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SWAdude

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In Flight Attendant recurrent training they are informing the F/A's that some form of seat back televised entertainment system will either be announced or implemented in January of next year. The story goes that we have found a vender that met the companies financial requirements for the installation of this system.

That is literally all the details that were given. It was from management at a recurrent class yesterday.

SWAdude :cool:
 
I thought the F/A's WERE the entertainment. I could give a crap about the movies, at least you guys have peanuts!!!
 
SWAdude said:
In Flight Attendant recurrent training they are informing the F/A's that some form of seat back televised entertainment system will either be announced or implemented in January of next year. The story goes that we have found a vender that met the companies financial requirements for the installation of this system.

That is literally all the details that were given. It was from management at a recurrent class yesterday.

SWAdude :cool:
Well with Gary's "tight fisted philosophy", everyone will probably be wearing antenna's and paying $5.:)
 
Tight fisted philosophy

Lowercur,

Gary's tight fisted philosophy contributed to Southwest's profit last quater not withstanding your predictions. If I were you, I would wait and give him the benefit of the doubt. He may make you look silly again...
 
RJones:


On your list of aircraft flown, that Fw-190E isn't a Focke-Wulf 190E is it? I couldn't think of anything else. If it is, how did you swing that?
 
Let's look at what we've got going here at SWA these days....

*Fancy new livery
*Leather Seating
*OnLine Advance Check-in
*Snazzy new uniforms for the frontline employees
*New service to a congested east coast airport

Now PTVs may be in the offing? Throw in assigned seating, a couple of carribean
destinations and a massive order for a 100 seat aircraft and our transformation into a
full -fledged jetBlue clone will be complete. Whoda thunk it.

The retrofit process oughta be delightful...I can just hear it now..."But they had TV
on my last flight!".
 
SWAInflt said:
Let's look at what we've got going here at SWA these days....

*Fancy new livery
*Leather Seating
*OnLine Advance Check-in
*Snazzy new uniforms for the frontline employees
*New service to a congested east coast airport

Now PTVs may be in the offing? Throw in assigned seating, a couple of carribean
destinations and a massive order for a 100 seat aircraft and our transformation into a
full -fledged jetBlue clone will be complete. Whoda thunk it.

The retrofit process oughta be delightful...I can just hear it now..."But they had TV
on my last flight!".
From the "followed to the follower." Not bad leadership from a former employee with ADD, that didn't know enough to keep his mouth shut. Of course the order for the E-jet is just his irrational "nationalistic euphoria" spilling over. Hopefully, they can get this guy under control.:rolleyes:

The May 28th communication to employees is just the beginning of the "updates" on how the company needs to keep costs in line to compete. Maybe the General can give us an approx of what it costs to retro-fit those 757's with IFE. It's gonna be a huge expense for WN. The communication was just to let the employees know that mgt is doing their job in keeping the company profitable and on the cutting edge, but it's going to take sacrifice from the employee groups to maintain viability for the future. It's gonna get interesting when the pilot's contract comes up in the near future.
 
lowecur said:
From the "followed to the follower." Not bad leadership from a former employee with ADD, that didn't know enough to keep his mouth shut. Of course the order for the E-jet is just his irrational "nationalistic euphoria" spilling over. Hopefully, they can get this guy under control.:rolleyes:
lowecur said:
The May 28th communication to employees is just the beginning of the "updates" on how the company needs to keep costs in line to compete. Maybe the General can give us an approx of what it costs to retro-fit those 757's with IFE. It's gonna be a huge expense for WN. The communication was just to let the employees know that mgt is doing their job in keeping the company profitable and on the cutting edge, but it's going to take sacrifice from the employee groups to maintain viability for the future. It's gonna get interesting when the pilot's contract comes up in the near future.
I too would love to know what a retrofit would cost per plane.
Our fleet count currently stands at 399 and counting. Every new 73G
that rolls off the line without the rumored IFE is one more that needs
a retrofit. The cheap and dirty way to solve the problem is to only outfit
the longhaul jets with IFE. The only catch is that there is no such thing
as a longhaul -700 or a short haul -700 around here our aircraft don't
flow throw the system that way. Besides the only way to justify
the expense of IFE is if you use a marketing tool. If you don't have in the
entire fleet or a least a plan to do so you have to advertise it with a huge
disclaimer. Not the best way to win customers especially when the newest
LCC competition has the geegaws bells, and whistles in every jet on every flight.
 
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What if you can get the vendor to put in the IFE for free? Impossible? How'd you like to own the advertising rights to the IFE for the largest, most successful domestic airline? Let me put it this way ... it is more likely that we got free IFE than that we're getting RJs ;)
 
ivauir said:
What if you can get the vendor to put in the IFE for free? Impossible? How'd you like to own the advertising rights to the IFE for the largest, most successful domestic airline? Let me put it this way ... it is more likely that we got free IFE than that we're getting RJs ;)
Yeah, impossible. Advertising rights are owned by the various channels that sell their services to the satellite vendors. As far as I know, there are only a couple of satellite vendors selling in the a/c space. B6 owns the DTV branch, and I'm not sure who owns the one Song uses.

Now if WN is not going to use live TV, and use a combination of satellite radio along with pay per view movies, then anything is possible. However, this would defeat the purpose of IFE on every flight as the movies could only be played on transcons.

Nope, they will have to pay and pay alot. But it's a smart move, as Gary has already probably paid for it with the fuel hedging. I wish you folks would give mgt a nudge as my ERJ stock is stuck in neutral. Besides you might even be able to keep your present contract.:)
 
lowecur said:
I wish you folks would give mgt a nudge
Don't even want to see it on the property.
 
canyonblue said:
Don't even want to see it on the property.
Oh common, jungle jets and parrots go hand in hand!! :D .
 
lowecur said:
Yeah, impossible. Advertising rights are owned by the various channels that sell their services to the satellite vendors. As far as I know, there are only a couple of satellite vendors selling in the a/c space. B6 owns the DTV branch, and I'm not sure who owns the one Song uses.

That is not correct. JetBlue bought, owns, and operates "LiveTV" (TM). DirectTV is our satellite service vendor which is an entirely different company. Maybe we have some deal with DirectTV giving us exclusive service for IFE I don't know. I am sure it is all free, like everything else we get. You know, airplanes, fuel, gates, etc.!!
C yaaa
 
One FO's opinion

This thread seems to come alive every couple of months. Rumors are fine but they need to be put up against what facts are known to judge if there is much validity to the rumor. Here are the facts:

1. SWA is currently initiating a serious review of all spending. No external hiring at this time except for pilots & FAs.

2. ALL SPENDING is being curtailed unless it directly relates to revenue generation. I don't know what the cost for installation would be but it won't be cheap & recurring costs (unknown) could escalate easily in the out years....the phones we use to have is a classic example...SWA learned a valuable lesson with those, technology quickly out paced any "gee-whiz" advantage the phones may have had in generating income. Remember, the phones were suppose to directly generate income...they didn't. If it doesn't generate income SWA generally isn't that interested in. One can say it indirectly does but the argument is too strong that most folks bring their own form of inflight entertainment with them & it doesn't cost us a thing.

3. SWA is looking to trim manpower requirements. Having this type of equipment would require extensive training for our mx folks, all ready adding to the demands & would likely increase manpower requirements...not something that SWA wants to do right now.

4. As a previous poster pointed out, you'd have to do the entire fleet since we don't schedule generally (yes not all of our aircraft can fly transcom, i.e. 300s) aircraft to just fly transcom. Even converting just the -700s would set a precedent that is against the company's overall goal...our aircraft are similar & the ride you can expect from LBB-DAL should be the same as BWI-SAN.

5. SWA is trying to return to the investor in LUV stock the return it once had. Our stock is held by many folks, particularly employees, many of the senior folks are only waiting for their LUV stock to climb back to $20-$30 & then there will be many retirements. Convincing the wall street analysts there is strength in the stock is done by keeping costs down & increasing revenue. How to do that when raising ticket prices isn't viewed favorably? You cut costs & adding inflight entertainment isn't the way to do it. If these senior folks retire due to a high stock price what happens? Highly paid employees leave the payroll, the employee to airplane returns to profitable levels (70ish to 1...currently now around 82) & employee productivity increases (we're currently overmanned & hoping folks will leave voluntarily)....all good things to Wall Street & in turn our stock returns to the value it has had in the past.

6. Customer satisfaction. If one inflight screen fails on a flight, that customer is ticked & not happy with the experience. Suddenly SWA has raised expectations & can't meet them. SWA has always been about a couple of things, get you there safely, get you there on time, get you there with your luggage, get you there & let you know we appreciate it.....doesn't say anything about entertainment (even though the FAs, CSAs & all the folks do a great job of doing that on their own). Raise expectations & get no additional revenue in return. Not a formula that SWA adheres to but the former one is.

7. Parker, Colleen, Kelly have all stated recently their view of the entertainment technology pie has turned up nothing that warrants a change in their business strategy & investment. Will they keep looking? Of course, never say never but in the forseeable future (2-3 years), I don't believe you'll see anythign close to what JB or Song is doing.


I have & could be wrong again. I don't believe I am in this case. A year from now there will be another thread on here speculating on the same. Someone please do the cut & paste of this thread early on. Lots of speculation for I'd say reality if far removed from this rumor.

cheers,
 
RJONES - Etch-a-sketch

RJONES:

What about turbulence? That system would only work in smooth air!

You might consider the "Close-and-Play" music entertainment system. "You close the lid and it plays, you lift it up and the music stops." I always wanted one of those things, but I'm over it now!
 

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