SWA delaying new planes, adding used Westjet birds --article

[General Lee]

Well, Gennie I have to admit I misjudged you. I was assuming all along you were lying but it turns out you are just woefully misinformed! Feel free to research the Chautauqua/Shuttle America Arbitration Opinion and Award by Richard Kasher, October 19, 2005. Please feel free to admit that your statement was wrong after you brush up on it. I can only assume that now that the error has been pointed out you will offer your heartfelt apology for the misinformation you have been spreading.

You sound giddy Howie. You named one that had a "staple", except it didn't follow what I said below your quote, keeping the planes it brought to the table, or one bringing the same type planes. Shuttle America, when absorbed FOR IT'S CERTIFICATE, had Dash-8-300s I believe, and they weren't kept at Chautauqua, unlike the current AT 737s at your place. Good try Howie, you still can't do it, and your own "irrelevant" opinion is also still absent. Oh well, it was expected.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Yes, their recourse was walking away from the deal.

So after all of you're blabbering, you basically admit that you were wrong. Finally! Yes, SWA's only recourse was to back out of the deal. Otherwise, they had to follow our new contract. I'm glad you finally figured it out.

 

[madjack]

Otherwise, they had to follow our new contract

Why wouldn't they? after all SWA got you the contract...your welcome tool

 

[HowardBorden]

So after all of you're blabbering, you basically admit that you were wrong. Finally! Yes, SWA's only recourse was to back out of the deal. Otherwise, they had to follow our new contract. I'm glad you finally figured it out.

Listen Tool, I'll try and make this as simple as possible. You have stated over and over again that SWA is legally obligated to follow any language changes added to a document after an offer to purchase was made. You are completely WRONG! The ONLY language a purchasing entity is BOUND to (a word you are so fond of using incorrectly) is that which was present during the original offer to purchase. That is the only language that cannot be walked away from without legal recourse. The letter you posted showed exactly that. SWA said we have reviewed the language changes made and will agree to abide by the new language unless and until you alter it again. Get it yet? You simply are not allowed to significantly alter the product including things such as: assets, cash reserves, LABOR CONTRACTS etc. and bind the purchaser to the agreement. Have I made it simple enough for your twelfth grade education to comprehend?

 

[HowardBorden]

You sound giddy Howie. You named one that had a "staple", except it didn't follow what I said below your quote, keeping the planes it brought to the table, or one bringing the same type planes. Shuttle America, when absorbed FOR IT'S CERTIFICATE, had Dash-8-300s I believe, and they weren't kept at Chautauqua, unlike the current AT 737s at your place. Good try Howie, you still can't do it, and your own "irrelevant" opinion is also still absent. Oh well, it was expected.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Yep it was expected, I never expected you to man up and admit you we're very clearly proven wrong.

"But, zero arbitration awards have NOT included Capt slots at BOTH sides"

"As far as my statement goes, can you provide an arbitrated award (not your Morris or Transtar examples that obviously weren't arbitrated) that didn't include some Capt slots on each side? That's my point----hasn't happened, unless you can prove it."

 

[redflyer65]

Howard,

You can't get past the hardline ALPA methodology when talking with PCL.

In his world, Airtran should have gotten close to DOH, kept every seat, had plenty of Southwest guys behind them, upgraded immediately to the SWAPA contract (you know, the same SWAPA he can't stand) and had base fences....just for Airtran of course.

So basically, he thought it was fair to keep everything they had...then just add the far better SWAPA contract to the equation. Oh, and that Southwest management was painted into a corner with the whole deal.

Talk about off the ranch and unrealistic.

 

[scoreboardII]

At ATN, approx. 95% of our trips are commutable on both ends.
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Y'all need to drop this dream, SWA owns the schedule and once de-hubbed, commutables will be few and far between.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

No, what he expected was a ratio that would have worked out to DOH + several years for the AAI pilots because that's what it would have taken to equalize the junior most Capts on both sides and that's what arbitrators basically always do (minus Shuttle America). Their only goal is to ensure the acquiring company doesn't take it in the shorts with training and relocation costs.

 

[27 driver]

Y'all need to drop this dream, SWA owns the schedule and once de-hubbed, commutables will be few and far between.

Do you guys like un-commutable schedules? Is that something SWAPA wanted or is it a management thing. Do most of SWAPA guys live in base?

 

[GoodTimes]

Good question 27. Everytime I've asked I've gotten the old "it'll never happen because that's how we've always done it" response. Maddening sometimes!