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SWA DB Results

alex

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Am I just stupid or stubborn (or both)?

Anyone know whats going on--has JM made all the calls she's going to make? If I haven't received a call from SWA yet, should I assume I'm toast?

Interview Jan 14th

Any insight on what may be going on (if anything)?

Not that I'm on edge or anything ...

Cheers,
Alex
 

T45Flyer

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DB results

Alex,
Several things could have happened. One, you might have been slid to a later DB. (That happened to me). Two, JM is a very busy lady and might no have had a chance to call you. (Also, happened to me.)

If you feel that you did well and you had good references than maybe you should wait another day or so and then give her a call. Thats what I did. Most of my buddies heard and I hadnt. I waited about 3 days then called and she told me congrats. The funnny thing is that she called me the next day to tell me congrats(she forgot that we talked to previous day.). That is all quite understandable considering the amount of different things going on there.

I also had a buddy that waited a month after DB, practically going insane, just to call them and find out they forgot about him and he passed.

I wish you the best, hope that phone rings soon!

-T45Flyer
 

alex

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The dreaded letter

Disregard.

I got my answer--the mailman just delivered the bad news.

Good luck to the rest of you.

Alex
 

T45Flyer

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Sorry to hear dude!

Alex,
I dont know you from squat, but am bummed you didnt get the thumbs up. I have had several buds get it on the second try so do give up! Good luck.
 

flyboysgal

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Thanks for posting, alex

Sounds like the group here is a good predictor. Did someone not say Wednesday was bad news in the mail day?
I am only the lowly home base for my fly guy, but later today, when he goes out, I think you two will not be the only ones...
We will be chosing STUPID AND STUBBORN right up to the click of the key in the box, but keep the spirits up.
Like they all have said, you were good enough, or they wouldn't have called you. It is a case of supply and demand, not skills, ability or desire.
Perhaps a class on voodoo or magic BEFORE the next round of applications would be in order, to influence the gods of the DB!
Maybe in two years (or is that 18 months... I hear things change) we will be sweating it again together!
hang in!
 

cargocanine

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Feb 20th RB

According to one of the Chief Pilots, everyone was reviewed. It was a big question because there were so many this time around. We should all get answers one way or the other.

Take Care and don't fear the mailman.

Love N Luck

CC
 

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I'm not trying to add insult to injury but the boys at Base X are trying to decide whether or not to pay the bucks for a 737 type rating.

I told them all to put in their apps right now to get the clock ticking, but it was up to them to decide if they wanted to get the type before the interview.

Can anyone share some insight as to how many interviews in the past few months were hired without 737 type ratings and how many were not hired without type rating. And How many had types but were not hired.

I am really sorry to ask these questions but Base X crowd is trying to find out what helps and what doesn't matter in an effort to learn from those who have been there done that.
 

T45Flyer

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No type before hire..

I was hired in Aug 01 without a type, got it in Oct 01. Hope that helps.
 

flyboysgal

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just a guess...

I would say, military should save the cash. If someone with a better mind for statistics could figure out the pool, how many civ. pilots make it without?
Civillian, in this market, this airline, you are stacking the deck in your favor by having one.
(worth a shade less than $.02)
 

ivauir

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get the type ...

I am exmilitary and I got hired withour the type, but, condsider getting it no matter who you are and this is why:
- you will interview sooner with the type
- your "pool date" will be determined by your interview date

I estimate these two factors will cause you to be on propert at least 3 months sooner if you get the type. 3 months times 3 grand a month = 9 grand.

So no matter what you are gambling about 9 grand - the question is, are you going to bet on or against yourself? I didn't get the type and instead of starting in January (check when early September poolies went to DAL) I am hopping for late April.

I don't think the type will get you hired, I don't think it will cover a bad work history or a poor interview, but I do think it goes along with a mindset that SWA likes.

That being said, there are a lot of things I'd spend my money on first (good suit, interview prep etc).

Best of luck to all hopefulls
 

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Great words but my questions were not answered.

There is a tremendous difference between before and after 9/11. From my research, prior to 9/11 SWA interviewed 240 a month, hired a lot more than the 50 pre-month training positions open, hoping at least 50 would show for class each month because 100-150 of those hired each month were also hired by 2 or 3 other airlines. Now they are still interviewing 240 amonth but I bet they are not hiring more than they need of those because they can now be extra picky because they know the people they hire will all show for class.

So, let me ask my question again:
Can anyone share some insight as to how many interviews in the past few months (ie after 9/11) were hired without 737 type ratings and how many were not hired without type rating. And How many had types but were not hired.

I have my type, but as someone said, that does not mean I will get hired. The boys at base X just want to know what the odds are. If it is 50-50 either way, then that is a decision they need to make. If it the odds are that not having a type hurts then they learned something from someone else.

Thanks and May God continue to bless you all.
 

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Here's my 7.3 cents on the type rating:

No matter who you are in this post Sept. 11th world, you are absolutely insane to NOT get the type. When I interviewed on Jan 22, I believe we all had one to the best of my knowledge, military or not. The unofficial word I've heard (and there are always exceptions) is that in today's hiring climate, they are generally only interviewing typed applicants until the typed applicant pool runs out. And don't hold your breath for that, because the good folks at HPA and all those other places are busier than a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Also, the whole type issue - whether you have one or not - sends a glaring statement either way to the folks in the People Dept. about how much you really want to work there. What message do you want to send on the big day?

And now I've got a question for All Ya'all who are farther along in the process than I am:
I understand that future class dates are based on the interview date. True? So the poolie who interviewed on 1/17 will be ahead of me in the pool, right? How about the other 15 guys who interviewed on the same day? If hired, does that go by age, similar to an actual class date? Thanks guys. See you in DAL.
 

flyboysgal

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...ah the pool

We are not talking class date once hired. He is talking odds of hiring.
Like I said, I KNOW NOTHING, but my opinion still holds. NO for mil, GO for civ.
(where are the numbers jocks?)
 
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In general, I would have to agree with PT...SWA wants people who are motivated for SWA...

Some stats (from an extremely small database): 3 from Base Y, hired with type in Feb DB (1 Mil and 1 Civ still waiting call w/type).

Feedback so far from 3 different interview groups in Jan, approx 80% had type. All but one out of those 3 groups who were hired (~33%) had type. (Not everyone has emailed results...vague, but you wanted some #s)

If you are serious about SWA, get the type you'll need it anyways, and as Ivaur said it speeds everything up.

*EDITED - Go with Chase's advice below...it worked for me.*

PT - Jennifer confirmed what Heather had told us at HPA:
Pool date = Later of actual interview date or type date (they may adjust slightly based on a few other factors...)

For training date, it is rumored they like a nice spread of ages and backgrounds in a class and that sometimes separates people with the same pool date.
 
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InHot

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Class Dates?

Pt,

Bob Beeks told me class dates are predicated on interview date and time !. Beyond that, who's to say? Age, alphabetically, your guess is as good as mine!
 

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My recommendation is get the type. If SWA is your #1 choice & you'll be back for a 2nd try if the first doesn't work, then it makes sense. In terms of hard numbers, anything you get on here will be ancedotal, certainly not factual enough to base a decision on whether to get a type or not (IMHO). More things work to your advantage with a type vs. without a type. Except for the money aspect. Here is the only scenario I'd recommend no type for:

Age: Young
Quals: SWA minimums & not much more; sitting in PIC position
Employed: yes

Why?
Young: If you don't make it the first time, you're young enough to do it again.

Quals: Yes it is a competitive process & while your mins are the mins, by the time you get called for an interview (again with no type) in 8-12 months (unofficial estimate based upon how many folks who have types are out there) you will have much more than the mins...most folks who are flying now should have another 500 hrs or so. Assuming it is PIC time you'll logging more time each day prior to your DB

Employed: Obviously, you're current & logging time

All of this adds up to a long wait for an interview but if you don't get picked up the timeframe from your application to DB may exceed 1 yr. You're eligible to re-apply 2 yrs from your first application! You may have less than 1 yr to re-apply. Then you can make the assessment whether you want to show increased desire for getting hired by getting a type before your 2nd attempt.

Just my thoughts.
cheers
 

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I don't know how accurate this is, as it is information from last summer.. I was told that there was one big pile of resumes in the people department. If you send in a resume with no type today, your resume will be put at the bottom of the pile for a call. If you send it in with the type, it would go in the pile somewhere near the middle, between the last guy with the type and the first guy without a type.. Now, when they need to call for interviews, they take the first one off the top and start calling.. Seems pretty straight forward to me.. The question that you need to weigh if considering not getting the type is how many folks do they have in that pile with the type rating? I've heard that the amount of resumes coming in per month has really picked up.. There is another catagory that I don't understand and that is the applicant that sends it in with no type.. then gets the type before the interview.. I don't know if they would put you at the back of the "typed" pile, or if they would put you into the "typed" pile according to the date that they recieved your original paperwork.. Anyway, for what it's worth...

S.B.
 

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Straight from Dallas

Although the pace of phone calls has slowed, JM has said it will take up to a week to go through the stack. The only way to know if you are out for sure is to get the letter. If you have not heard anything by next Wed., give a call. Until then, walk to the mailbox with a straight back and a stiff upper lip.

Take Care All. CC
 

flyboysgal

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.......sooOOOO

Canine, does your wife know about all these calls to JEN?

YOU have cheered me up in one respect today: The letter is not in the mail, so it was NOT on the very bottom! We are practicing walking with walkers so we can keep vertical and going for STUBBORN and STUPID, like alex says.

What is interesting is how a bit more GOOD news seems to be trickling in than bad. Either they are all out drinking to forget or the letters have not gone out enmass.
I wonder if there is a gray middle that sits, unstamped, unlicked just seeing if the bunch at the top fall out?

Ah lack of dinner and tired eyes.

I just read an older post and want to know if Lindsey is calling too. There was something about being in one or the other's domain so I know we got the interview call from her, would that mean the DB results too?

Still hanging.
 

InHot

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What a process!

But, it makes for great drama. I don't think I'd be wrong to say that everyone on this board is rooting for a positive outcome for your man.

Good Luck. Fingers are crossed for ya!
 
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