SWA/AT future at Risk

[PapaWoody]

The west is a complete disaster, pilots on furlough, never made money and were on deaths door until the USAir merger.
Seems to be the better thing to do was let them die, but for some reason SWA couldn't kill off the cockroaches out west.

This would be a true statement if you would only substitute the word east for west. At least that's how I remember it.

PW

 

[PapaWoody]

It's a little after 1 P.M. Atlanta time, what time did you start drinking?

Come on, Kharma...that was a little bitter at the beginning, but it ended up being balls out funny. In a word - Awesome!

PW

PS I would add +2000 APs (awesome points) for commenting how great it is that we all get 5 more years as a CA thanks to Age 60 change.

 

[27 driver]

Come on, Kharma...that was a little bitter at the beginning, but it ended up being balls out funny. In a word - Awesome!

PW

PS I would add +2000 APs (awesome points) for commenting how great it is that we all get 5 more years as a CA thanks to Age 60 change.

PW, you can tack another 1000 points if you mention your 3'rd vacation home or your 40 ft or larger boat in the same sentence.

And it was funny. Even for this tranny pilot.

 

[Music]

Ty is my fav! Suck it SWA. Sure you have better schedules, make more money, stay at better hotels, get cheaper booze, etc... and maybe your airline has more planes, money, hedges, etc...

Airtran brings the X factor. The X stands for awesome. Our pilots, flight attendants, gate agents, and airplanes are more awesome. GK knows this which is why he paid 1.4 billion to get a small scrap of our X factor. Good luck containing our awesome in your culture. You are just lucky we didn't buy SWA. Sure we didn't have the money but most exchanges recognize Awesome as legal tender.

So to bring this full circle. I expect SLI to be fair. Fair is simple to quantify. The pilots with the most Awesome go to the top of the list. Then the rest of the pilots are slotted in below Airtran in order of Awesome. Here is a quick chart so you can add up your awesome points.

Divorce+ 10
Second divorce+ 25
Third divorce+ 50

Iphone pictures of: your car, boat, lake house, naked wife, FA you are cheating with: +20

Iphone pictures of: Your wife and kids (subtract 100) shown with pride (subtract 200) shown shortly after FA you are cheating with pictures (add 1000)

Explain how you used to do it at Eastern +100

Complain about money to an FO +1000
Complain about money to an FO because of three divorces +5000

You can find the full list on AirtranX.com

LOL! How many points for that third timeshare for your 3rd wife that your using as collateral for your new Harley?

 

[Sandhawk]

The west is a complete disaster, pilots on furlough, never made money and were on deaths door until the USAir merger.
Seems to be the better thing to do was let them die, but for some reason SWA couldn't kill off the cockroaches out west.

This would be a true statement if you would only substitute the word east for west. At least that's how I remember it.

PW

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! to PapaWoody

:beer:

 

[Lonestar]

I expect and have no issue with SWAPA asking for a low ball offer, just don't be angry or surprised when we don't accept it (just like F9).

Um...Kharma...have u seen how that worked out for the F9 guys?

What's that quote, something about "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"?

 

[jonjuan]

Um...Kharma...have u seen how that worked out for the F9 guys?

What's that quote, something about "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"?

Lucky for at, gary wants it more than you. My monies on gk.

 

[Whine Lover]

" I expect and have no issue with SWAPA asking for a low ball offer, just don't be angry or surprised when we don't accept it (just like F9)."


Yeah...those F9 guys made out like frickin' Bandits!

That was monumental decision making.

I mean, faced with so many difficult choices:

- Liquidation

- SWA Staple

- Republic Butt Raping

Those men collectively stood their ground and opened their cheeks wide so as not to take the INSULT of the SWA offer.

Kudos!

YKW

 

[Kharma Police]

" I expect and have no issue with SWAPA asking for a low ball offer, just don't be angry or surprised when we don't accept it (just like F9)."


Yeah...those F9 guys made out like frickin' Bandits!

That was monumental decision making.

I mean, faced with so many difficult choices:

- Liquidation

- SWA Staple

- Republic Butt Raping

Those men collectively stood their ground and opened their cheeks wide so as not to take the INSULT of the SWA offer.

Kudos!

YKW

Interesting how the Southwest pilots like to gloat about F9's current situation yet overlook the fact that the Frontier pilots were so taken aback by SWAPA's, "offer" that they said, "no thanks, we'll go with the commuter airline instead." Must have been one heck of an impression with the F9 pilots.....

 

[General Lee]

Um...Kharma...have u seen how that worked out for the F9 guys?

What's that quote, something about "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"?

Arbitrators will make sure history doesn't repeat itself. That is the game changer for SWAPA.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[texman]

Mmmmmmmmmm.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Interesting how the Southwest pilots like to gloat about F9's current situation yet overlook the fact that the Frontier pilots were so taken aback by SWAPA's, "offer" that they said, "no thanks, we'll go with the commuter airline instead." Must have been one heck of an impression with the F9 pilots.....

Have you talked to many F9'ers? Everyone that I talked to says that some senior dudes were the ones that flushed the deal for all of them and they would have done anything to ensure they went to SWA instead of Republic. If you really think they wanted Republic, you are smoking some good hoochie!!

 

[GuppyWN]

If they brought the planes and seats with them, and there was "no bump, no flush", how would it affect me if they were integrated into our list?

TW

If you think your 5 year Captains deserve a spot ahead of our native 11 year FO's you're crazy as hell.

That includes your November 2001 hires Ty.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Interesting how the Southwest pilots like to gloat about F9's current situation yet overlook the fact that the Frontier pilots were so taken aback by SWAPA's, "offer" that they said, "no thanks, we'll go with the commuter airline instead." Must have been one heck of an impression with the F9 pilots.....

They got the best shake at a regional airline they could hope for! If they'd have come over here they'd have 1700 more behind them shortly.

Gup

 

[Kharma Police]

If you think your 5 year Captains deserve a spot ahead of our native 11 year FO's you're crazy as hell.

That includes your November 2001 hires Ty.

Gup

no bump, no flush

 

[tankerhead]

Which raises an interesting point, Gup. Would you guys be purchasing (merging) us if the F9 deal had worked out?

 

[Kharma Police]

They got the best shake at a regional airline they could hope for! If they'd have come over here they'd have 1700 more behind them shortly.

Gup

Thankfully, Gary Kelly won't let you guys screw this one up like you did with the last one. He learned his lesson, too important for our survival.

 

[GuppyWN]

I say YES we would have. Gary wants ATL and it's cheaper to buy you.

This joint isn't anywhere near it's growth potential. Bringing a bunch of Trannies along for the ride sounds like fun if we can work out the SLI.

Gup

 

[tankerhead]

I feel so dirty and cheap now.

 

[ivauir]

Exactly-someone who gets it.

Meaning someone who agrees with your partisan view.

Their integration with you will not affect your QOL in any way, shape or form.

Certainly you are educated enough on the subject to know that this isn't true.

Very disappointing.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you think your 5 year Captains deserve a spot ahead of our native 11 year FO's you're crazy as hell.

That includes your November 2001 hires Ty.

Gup

I know you want me, Gup, but if you want to fly with me, you're going to have to put in for Check Airman .

Or, you could be a Czech Airman, like my swinging cousin, Yurgy. He is quite the hit at the Fox Bar, where the American girls are very impressed with his many medallions and tight slacks. :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Meaning someone who agrees with your partisan view.



Certainly you are educated enough on the subject to know that this isn't true.

Very disappointing.

No one has yet answered the question-

If AirTran bought Allegiant, and they brought the appropriate number of airframes/pilots, how would a straight-ratio integration, (no bump, no flush) affect my:

• Monthly Line Award
• Domicile (no bump, no flush)
• Vacation
• Pay, lifestyle, pursuit of happiness

 

[scoreboardII]

Your monthly bid could shift down as senior Alegient folks bid into domicile forcing you to weekends, AM's or you might have to move to another domicile to keep or regain these bennies. (Yes, this could happen without aquisition, but it doesn't because equalibrium is already a constant; everyone is where they can or want to be).

Same can be said for vacation (instead of XMas off, you get Jan 21-28), lifestyle, pursuit of happiness.

Pay could be affected by more senior Alegient outbidding your extra flying.

While your relative seniority remains stable, company growth is slowed. This is because your company can only get so big in the environment in which it operates, resulting in slower improvement in your "relative" position in seniority.

Domicile makeup will change, as Allegient is rolled in and fences fall, senior Alegient could move into your house, so to speak.

 

[Midge]

If you think your 5 year Captains deserve a spot ahead of our native 11 year FO's you're crazy as hell.

That includes your November 2001 hires Ty.

Gup

More arrogance! Absolutely amazing some of your guys' head still fits through the cockpit door.

 

[jonjuan]

Well it's a good thing that none of that will happen with a usair/aw type sli. Remember, gk told you this would increase growth and without it, stagnation will occur. In that case, those people who still can't hold weekends off in the base they want or channukah off, would be waiting even longer without the growth at brings to the table. Of course, you probably believe Gary also isn't educated enough on the subject to know that's not true.

 

[ivauir]

Ty,

Despite your merger committee's repeated requests NOT to discuss the SLI why do you persist?

 

[swa737-700]

What a loaded question. How about let arbitrators figure out what is fair? They are paid to do that, and they are "neutral." That is what you are scared of, obviously, anything FAIR determined by a neutral. Your lawyers put out the facts, and someone else decides. It screams FEAR in your book.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

Having read your blather for awhile, I find it hard to believe you really work in this industry.
Let arbitrators figure out the SLI. Really? YGBSM. How about the two groups work together, and as a LAST resort turn it over to an arbitrator. And if you think aribitrators have any common sense, look at the recent decision reference Eagle and the TWA folks. Unbelievable.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

Despite your merger committee's repeated requests NOT to discuss the SLI why do you persist?

They asked us to not discuss our expectations, which I have refrained from doing. I simply asked a question.

I think your response showed that you yourself don't understand what the result would be.

In the scenario I described, if they brought the same number of seats with them, then there would be that many more vacation days and lines to bid. Your seniority doesn't change, you just wouldn't be improving your position at anyone else's expense.

Now that we've straightened that out, you have yourself a nice day, mmmkay?

 

[ivauir]

They asked us to not discuss our expectations, which I have refrained from doing. I simply asked a question.

GMAFB

Your expectations are clear and have been since day one. Your question is an obvious gambit to alter someone else's expectations.

I think your response showed that you yourself don't understand what the result would be.

No. However I refuse to get drawn into an SLI discussion.

 

[Ty Webb]

GMAFB

Your expectations are clear and have been since day one. Your question is an obvious gambit to alter someone else's expectations.

You may think that you know what my expectations are, but you really don't. I'm not even sure what I expect . . . . or what the list will look like, so how could you know what I expect.

No. However I refuse to get drawn into an SLI discussion.

Heh-heh . . . . I think you already have been, Br'er Rabbit.