SWA and SKWY?

[Whataburger]

Didn't we just launch an add campaign that made fun of "small jets?"

 

[puddlejumper101]

i wonder if SWA saw an opportunity in smaller markets where they don't have the equipment to operate into and out of. Anything is possible I guess...but it goes against everything they have done.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Our latest contract update from our union says they are happy with our newest scope language just finished up.
Our union president also says he expects SWA to sign a codeshare with a regional airline in the very near future.

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive.

Giving away ANY SWA flying is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Whataburger]

Wasn't part of Parker's quick departure because of the proposal of us buying and flying RJ's?

PS. I bet none of us have an idea what's going on regardless of what we think we know. I bet 5000 of General Lee's posts that that we wont merge with SKYW. I bet his other 5000 we WILL do something, we are poised to do something, and it will blindside all of us.

 

[Daddy]

Wasn't part of Parker's quick departure because of the proposal of us buying and flying RJ's?

PS. I bet none of us have an idea what's going on regardless of what we think we know. I bet 5000 of General Lee's posts that that we wont merge with SKYW. I bet his other 5000 we WILL do something, we are poised to do something, and it will blindside all of us.

Concur...well said

 

[Headfake14]

...I've heard SWA/WestJet stuff...

 

[wmuflyguy]

I would bet Southwest to start doing international flying (Caribbean/Mexico/Canada) before they would start with any RJ's.

 

[LeonPhelps]

So, help me out here...if we have "feeders" into larger locations, that fly the "big" stuff outta there. Wouldn't that be called a "hub and spoke"? Just curious...

 

[firstthird]

So, help me out here...if we have "feeders" into larger locations, that fly the "big" stuff outta there. Wouldn't that be called a "hub and spoke"? Just curious...

which is why many SWA guys on here, me included, don't think this particular rumor will pan out.

SWA does have some 'pseudo-hubs' at our big bases, mainly the pilot/FA domiclies, where much of our transferring traffic does indeed transfer.

But the difference between that and a true hub and spoke is the absence of feed, i.e. RJs. the problem with us getting a feeder is that many of our domiciles/pseudo-hubs don't have a lot of extra capacity left to throw in 100 rj flights a day (MDW, PHX, OAK, DAL, probably all of them). they work now because we don't have a hub push which clobbers the one or two runways that we have available at most of them.

Thus, let us all hope that SWA management is smart enough not to fix something that isn't broken. all the best to the skywest guys, but this SWA pilot wants SWA pilots to fly SWA pax (and for the ATA codeshare to go away as soon as possible).

 

[Bako Cap]

One fleet type for SWA is 1990's thinking. What percentage of new flying lost money last year? Most? SWA needs to expand their opperations and the current way of flooding a new market with 737s and not making money will not work for much longer. If a new fleet type is needed it should be the 700 and not the 1000. The 1000 is too close in seat numbers to the 737. The 700 has half the seats of a 737 and would be a good supplement too a new or faltering market that does not support the 737.

On that note. PLEASE do not let anyone not on your seniority list perform YOUR flying in aircraft sporting YOUR colors.

 

[firstthird]

One fleet type for SWA is 1990's thinking. What percentage of new flying lost money last year? Most?

Unless you have access to more data than the airline analysts do, then you can't answer that question any better than I can. One analyst claimed that all our new routes are losing money but other people have pointed out the he can't know that.

Our profits this year have actually been pretty good, we're up to about 550 million in the first 3 quarters, not where we want to be, but okay.

If we get a second a/c type, I hope that it is the 787 to do our OWN international flying rather than codesharing it out.

What we surely don't need is 70 seat RJs with their associated high CASMs.

Frankly, I think the ATA codeshare is a mistake and hope we end it as soon as we can and still fulfill our obligations to ATA. Let ATA do what they do, and let SWA pilots/FAs/agents take care of people that buy tickets on our website.

The front office is messing up by contracting out the customer service experience.

This isn't to say anything negative about ATA or an RJ provider, just that SWA should be doing SWA stuff. If we can't swim on our own then we've got some changing to do, but we'll never know if we try to cover up our problems with latest 'quick fix' that guys like Boyd have been pushing for years. Not that he consults for EMB or anything. Wonder why he thinks that SWA needs Embraers? hmm.

 

[SWA GUY]

Our current scope clause states that if SWA grows by 5% or less annually, all code share flying will cease. We are growing at 6% as of right now, so I doubt we'll be taking on anymore code sharing partners.

The code share with ATA was part of the MDW package (thanks Mayor Daly). It was either we got the gates and the code share, or nuttin at all.

Rumors are fun though......

 

[Truckdriver]

I heard SKYW is going to drop all feed to Delta and United and switch, essentially overnight to SWA. How will those two do with out the feed to their hubs?

Probably just fine. Delta could have Delta pilots fly all the CRJ900's that they own and I'm sure Delta pilots would love to get the CRJ700's over at mainline also. SkyWest dropping feed for Delta and United would be great. One could only hope that would be the case.

 

[CF34-3B1]

On the other hand, maybe a Ryanair codeshare would be ok..........

http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/19/ryanair-flight-attendants-like-youve-never-seen-them-before/http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/19/ryanair-flight-attendants-like-youve-never-seen-them-before

 

[TheCheat]

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Heard it was going to being only Int'l ops for SWA though...if it actually happens.

Gee... a year and a half ago this rumor was all the rage here at Expressjet. I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now either. It was supposedly because we have a great operating certificate for flights into Mexico. Or something... I have no idea how these ops things work. But Skywest barely even flies to Mexico.

But what do I know. If you SWA folks are hearing it from within then maybe there's some truth to it. As for it circling the halls of Skywest, PE once said "Don't believe the hype"

 

[just farmin]

Never happen. Southwest has too much pride in its unique brand of service. I don't believe they would ever outsource that. I cant find anywhere where Carl implied there was an impending RJ codeshare.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

No offense, but have you been paying attention to what's been happening at this company over the last 2+ years or so. I not only think that an RJ codeshare is possible, but highly likely in the not too distant future. That's why the membership has been telling the union that our number one priority going into Section 6 needed to be Scope and Codeshare. I just hope that we aren't too late to stop whatever the GO has in mind going forward.

 

[Formula 1]

The last time this silly rumor came up was when skyw pilots had their UPA drive. Now 5 years later the same rumor is back with the ALPA drive. It will come back again in 4-5 years when the next union drive happens.

Skyw management just gives the pilots a little glimmer of a rumor so the pilots won't vote in a union. The real joke is on the pilots.

 

[JumpersAway]

I am hoping the Southwest pilot group kills this thing dead in it's tracks. With an overlap of wages between Regionals and their mainline partners, I was hoping this fad would end.

Unlike many of the nonunion pilots out there, I'd rather see the mainline outfits grow in size, with higher pay and better QOL- even at the expense of my own upgrade.

Good luck guys!

 

[Vegaspilot99]

I am hoping the Southwest pilot group kills this thing dead in it's tracks. With an overlap of wages between Regionals and their mainline partners, I was hoping this fad would end.

Unlike many of the nonunion pilots out there, I'd rather see the mainline outfits grow in size, with higher pay and better QOL- even at the expense of my own upgrade.

Good luck guys!

...+1

 

[OO pilot]

I am hoping the Southwest pilot group kills this thing dead in it's tracks. With an overlap of wages between Regionals and their mainline partners, I was hoping this fad would end.

Unlike many of the nonunion pilots out there, I'd rather see the mainline outfits grow in size, with higher pay and better QOL- even at the expense of my own upgrade.

Good luck guys!

+2

I think if anything happens, it wouldn't be a "code share" with the southwest brand on RJs (God help us), but a shared timetable like southwest has with ATA now.

 

[bailey3083]

Well I heard that Johnny O. heard about this deal while screwing Jerry's daughter. So now Johnny O. is offering to bring pilots over from [SIZE=-1]Kunpeng Air [/SIZE] to fly those RJ's for SWA and pay them in Yuan ( which is currently at $.1347 US)!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well I heard that Johnny O. heard about this deal while screwing Jerry's daughter. So now Johnny O. is offering to bring pilots over from [SIZE=-1]Kunpeng Air [/SIZE]to fly those RJ's for SWA and pay them in Yuan ( which is currently at $.1347 US)!

You mean there is actually a currency worth less than the US Dollar???
(I have been doing WAY too many Canada overnights lately with no international per diem rate either)

 

[Erlanger]

The last time this silly rumor came up was when skyw pilots had their UPA drive. Now 5 years later the same rumor is back with the ALPA drive. It will come back again in 4-5 years when the next union drive happens.

Skyw management just gives the pilots a little glimmer of a rumor so the pilots won't vote in a union. The real joke is on the pilots.

This rumor never came up 4-5 years ago. It all started almost 2 years ago when Jerry Atkin said that it was Skywest that went to Southwest first and asked for a meeting to show how a Skywest codeshare could benefit Southwest. He said that it was Southwest that shot them down and said not interested. Something then changed at Southwest because many months later they called Skywest and asked for that presentation. And now I guess we're going to find out soon what the deal is, if any.

 

[mach zero]

This rumor never came up 4-5 years ago. It all started almost 2 years ago when Jerry Atkin said that it was Skywest that went to Southwest first and asked for a meeting to show how a Skywest codeshare could benefit Southwest. He said that it was Southwest that shot them down and said not interested. Something then changed at Southwest because many months later they called Skywest and asked for that presentation. And now I guess we're going to find out soon what the deal is, if any.

Hopefully this is a stupid rumor and there will never be a deal. No slam against Skywest people but I don't want to see any codeshare with any RJ's...ever. If we put our pax on them, then they will need to be flown by Southwest pilots in my opinion.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Well I heard that Johnny O. heard about this deal while screwing Jerry's daughter. So now Johnny O. is offering to bring pilots over from [SIZE=-1]Kunpeng Air [/SIZE]to fly those RJ's for SWA and pay them in Yuan ( which is currently at $.1347 US)!

Jerry has a daughter? I thoughtJOhadthe daughter and Jerry hasa son.

 

[Formula 1]

This rumor never came up 4-5 years ago. It all started almost 2 years ago when Jerry Atkin said that it was Skywest that went to Southwest first and asked for a meeting to show how a Skywest codeshare could benefit Southwest. He said that it was Southwest that shot them down and said not interested. Something then changed at Southwest because many months later they called Skywest and asked for that presentation. And now I guess we're going to find out soon what the deal is, if any.

I was there when this rumor did come up during the last drive and I left over 3 years ago. Feels good having egg on your face?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Call me crazy, but...

I don't know about SKYW...but take a good hard look at ExpressJet's branded operation and compare some of those destinations to a WN routemap. Tack on the fact that XJT is a union house (as some say will be required for a codeshare), has the personnel in the right cities to flip the switch on such an operation overnight, and the fact that it would be a nice way to slap the face of another Texas based airline that spurned them...and I see a possible codeshare partner.

But, maybe that's just the overthinking 'spatcher in me talking.

 

[Tomct]

I sure hope this is nothing but BS, otherwise SWA just fell WAAAAAAAYYYYY DOWN in my book. It would be a Colossal mistake! Good Luck SWA guys...I hope that ya'll shoot this deal down ASAP!!!! Skywst is almost like a virus...look what they did to ASA....SWA could be next! BAD NEWS! If you guys let this happen, you will be effectively allowing the "Whipsaw" to enter the majors! BAD JUJU!!!

 

[bravodude]

I sure hope this is nothing but BS, otherwise SWA just fell WAAAAAAAYYYYY DOWN in my book. It would be a Colossal mistake! Good Luck SWA guys...I hope that ya'll shoot this deal down ASAP!!!! Skywst is almost like a virus...look what they did to ASA....SWA could be next! BAD NEWS! If you guys let this happen, you will be effectively allowing the "Whipsaw" to enter the majors! BAD JUJU!!!

Dont you work for Continetal, If so than I wouldn't be talking if i were you.