SWA and class-action suit?

[SWAnnabee]

Can anyone confirm or deny a rumor I heard that there is talk amongst some military types to consider filing a class-action suit. Supposedly the rumor is that there are some folks in the SWA HR department that are "not military friendly" and making discriminatory hiring decisions. The class action might be used to recoup interview and type rating expenses. I have heard this from both Airforce and Navy friends and the rumor is making its way around many squadron ready-rooms. Again, just asking if anyone has heard anything about this or is it just rumor. NO FLAMEBAIT PLEASE. Just keep it rational and calm but looking for any word.

 

[Metro752]

Crucify anyone who isn't more than happy to help out any serviceman because they have a "hanoi jane" mindset.

 

[tmstewar2]

Totally Disagree

As a previous SWA pilot recruiter I can tell you from experience that traditionally military individuals were more successful through the hiring process than civilian pilots.



Also, during my time there - we had more military pilots on the interview team than civilian.



Now I don't know if this has changed since they have started the process up again, but that was not the case before.



Terri

 

[TexaSWA]

If it is true its just a bunch of dumbazzes who are bitter about not getting hired. The recent classes have been about 50/50 or weighted slightly toward the military side. Come to think of it the one behind me had only one civilian or two civilians. They would spend there time better by figuring out how to get hired next time rather than raising a stink and ensuring that they never get hired.

If that word were to get around those guys would probably never get hired at a legitimate carrier.

 

[juan2go]

Huh? Lawsuit?

Ridiculous! If a guy/gal can't make it through the interview and or Decision Board, they don't get hired regardless of their background.

If there is any validity to this rumor, I suspect that these individuals are also ordering coffee at the McDonalds drive thru and then spilling it on their laps.

regards,

juan (ouch that's hot)

Oh, and Metro752, are you saying that all servicemen should be hired?

 

[bafanguy]

Can anyone confirm or deny a rumor I heard that there is talk amongst some military types to consider filing a class-action suit. Supposedly the rumor is that there are some folks in the SWA HR department that are "not military friendly" and making discriminatory hiring decisions. The class action might be used to recoup interview and type rating expenses. I have heard this from both Airforce and Navy friends and the rumor is making its way around many squadron ready-rooms. Again, just asking if anyone has heard anything about this or is it just rumor. NO FLAMEBAIT PLEASE. Just keep it rational and calm but looking for any word.

I am laughing my @ss off that this premise. In what cave have these people been living for the last 75 years ?

 

[scabseeker]

Why didn't I think of this

I should have tried this back in 98-99 when my friend was in class at American and out of 40 people 5 were civilian and 35 military. Or my other buddy that was the only civilian in a class of 22.

If this were true I feel for these guys but they aren't the only ones wronged when it comes to airline hiring.

 

[Candide]

Deny

To your original question of "confirm or deny" the rumor...there is no such talk at my Navy Reserve squadron in which about 1/3 of the guys are trying to get on at SWA.

Before everyone gets really upset at the community of presumptuous, arrogant military pilots, please remember the nature of a rumor--they're usually wrong.

 

[jhill]

Can anyone confirm or deny a rumor I heard that there is talk amongst some military types to consider filing a class-action suit. Supposedly the rumor is that there are some folks in the SWA HR department that are "not military friendly" and making discriminatory hiring decisions. The class action might be used to recoup interview and type rating expenses. I have heard this from both Airforce and Navy friends and the rumor is making its way around many squadron ready-rooms. Again, just asking if anyone has heard anything about this or is it just rumor. NO FLAMEBAIT PLEASE. Just keep it rational and calm but looking for any word.

Is this some pathetic ploy to keep military guys from getting hired at SWA? I think if you look at the make up of the classes any judge would throw it out. How ridiculous can you be!

 

[JetDude]

Only In Someone's Conspiracy Theory Dreams

I'm 20 years USAF and have NEVER heard of this...it's a bunch of bull$. Don't even begin to believe this.

 

[FN FAL]

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[80drvr]

I should have tried this back in 98-99 when my friend was in class at American and out of 40 people 5 were civilian and 35 military. Or my other buddy that was the only civilian in a class of 22.

If this were true I feel for these guys but they aren't the only ones wronged when it comes to airline hiring.

My class in 99 was about 50/50.

 

[Stash]

Lawsuit? Bah humbug!

Hell, I'm pure military and they hired me! Can't be that bad of a company. Hell, what am I saying, it's a freakin' GREAT company, I just can't wait to get out of this pool, though, hell, I guess swimming for a couple months is far better than treadding water in it for a year like those that started in April and May. Cheers,

 

[SWAnnabee]

Unlikely

I just interviewed on June 24 and the whole group of 11 of us were military. Mostly Airforce and a few Navy and Marine. If they were discriminating then why an entire interview class? Dont believe it. Rumors like this are unfounded and not rooted in any truth.

 

[Mooseflyer]

Hey Bozt45,

You interviewed with 2100 TT??!! Maybe your profile isn't updated. What are your current stats, if you don't mind?

 

[SWAnnabee]

Reply

Please dont shoot the messenger. Just asking.

 

[SWAnnabee]

Stats

Moose,
These are current stats. I meet the 1500 Total Turbine with 1000 Turbine PIC requirement. You either have to have 2500TT OR 1500Total Turbine.
Felt very lucky to have interviewed with my stats as compared to others with much more time. My turbine time is all military fighter time so maybe they gave it a little more weight since we fighter types have very little cruise time at altitude. Every hour for us includes a takeoff, approach and landing, vice a 5 hour flight mostly at cruise and level, then the approach and landing. Otherwise I cant imagine how I got the call. There are a lot of others with much more time than me so I am thankful for the opportunity. This is just speculation.
It was a good experience but I don't anticipate getting the call to continue. Too many have also interviewed and not gotten the call. The percentages seem awfully low for interview-hire. If I do I will be very pleasently supprised.

Boz

 

[Mooseflyer]

Thanks for the reply Boz. Congrats on the interview and best of luck continuing the process. I agree with you regarding the low interview vs. hire percentages. I was recently rejected from another carrier who, by my research, hires 30-50% of those interviewed. Kind of shoots a hole in the idea that "airlines WANT to hire everyone interviewed - they just need to get to know you as a person". Must be an awful lot of a$$holes out there and I'm one of 'em

 

[JetDude]

You're Bringing Me Down

bozt45,


Hang in there! I interviewed June 15th and will remain hopeful until the evil, uniformed one who puts things in the black box by the street dashes my hopes.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Traditional hiring at SWA would dismiss this rumor as BS. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and day in court. BUT....things change. Maybe someone is valuing military experience less at SWA than it was before. That is by no means wrong or illegal.

Look at the hiring practices elsewhere. One could argue that Airtran is military averse. No one is suing them.

I smell sour grapes.