SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[On Your Six]

General, oh sorry, OYS, What will you do when we let cooler heads prevail and come to a negotiated solution that benefits both groups? It's a good possibility. Will you man up and admit you were wrong?

Thanks Gup. As for it being a possibility, sure, I guess it could be, but unlikely. If you were an Airtran pilot who was going to get a huge raise, would you just give up your seniority rights? No, you'd go FOR IT ALL. Anyone would. We all know that SWAPA negotiators would be crucified by their own if they gave a good deal to the Airtran pilots. So, the only real fair way to do it is to have outside help. Outside help is not biased, and will see what each side actually brings to the table. Most Southwest guys on FI seem darn confident that Southwest brings the most and Airtran very little. So if that is the case, then arbitration should be a "slam dunk" approach for them.


OYS

 

[Tripower455]

Thanks Gup. As for it being a possibility, sure, I guess it could be, but unlikely. If you were an Airtran pilot who was going to get a huge raise, would you just give up your seniority rights? No, you'd go FOR IT ALL. Anyone would. We all know that SWAPA negotiators would be crucified by their own if they gave a good deal to the Airtran pilots. So, the only real fair way to do it is to have outside help. Outside help is not biased, and will see what each side actually brings to the table. Most Southwest guys on FI seem darn confident that Southwest brings the most and Airtran very little. So if that is the case, then arbitration should be a "slam dunk" approach for them.


OYS

How'd you become such an expert on this stuff? You've never been through it.

Heck, you're not even gonna be affected in any way, shape or form by this acquisition, so why do you continue to troll in SWA/AAI acquisition threads?

For someone with such little actual airline experience (and no, first hand SLI experience), you've sure got a lot to say.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... You really need a hobby that doesn't involve harassing professional aviators on a message board.

Have a wonderful day! Hugs and kisses!

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Thanks Gup. As for it being a possibility, sure, I guess it could be, but unlikely. If you were an Airtran pilot who was going to get a huge raise, would you just give up your seniority rights? No, you'd go FOR IT ALL. Anyone would. We all know that SWAPA negotiators would be crucified by their own if they gave a good deal to the Airtran pilots. So, the only real fair way to do it is to have outside help. Outside help is not biased, and will see what each side actually brings to the table. Most Southwest guys on FI seem darn confident that Southwest brings the most and Airtran very little. So if that is the case, then arbitration should be a "slam dunk" approach for them.


OYS

And yet you, GL and others sit back and bash the SWA pilots for wanting it all. Define irony...


SLC

 

[FlyinGuy]

Bingo!!!!! That sums up GL and his alter ego. Bash swa at all costs!!!

 

[RLAblows]

Thanks Gup. As for it being a possibility, sure, I guess it could be, but unlikely. If you were an Airtran pilot who was going to get a huge raise, would you just give up your seniority rights? No, you'd go FOR IT ALL. Anyone would. We all know that SWAPA negotiators would be crucified by their own if they gave a good deal to the Airtran pilots. So, the only real fair way to do it is to have outside help. Outside help is not biased, and will see what each side actually brings to the table. Most Southwest guys on FI seem darn confident that Southwest brings the most and Airtran very little. So if that is the case, then arbitration should be a "slam dunk" approach for them.


OYS

I don't think the AT pilots have a "go for it all" attitude. Please don't speak for us. We aren't that greedy and have a pretty good grasp of the situation.

 

[27 driver]

Keeping you off our CBA saves the company about 85 million a year...

And costs the shareholders 400 million a year in synergies. Not sure that is a sound business decision.

 

[GuppyWN]

And costs the shareholders 400 million a year in synergies. Not sure that is a sound business decision.

Not trying to stir the pot but Gary can have all the synergies he wants with a Section 1 waiver of the SWAPA contract. Protects SWAPA pilots and more importantly protects the shareholders.

Gup

 

[27 driver]

Not trying to stir the pot but Gary can have all the synergies he wants with a Section 1 waiver of the SWAPA contract. Protects SWAPA pilots and more importantly protects the shareholders.

Gup

Not sure I believe you. Details please. And I think you may be stirring a little. :beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Not stirring at all. Section 1 relief via Codeshare with Airtran. Connect more dots with "company" assets. Add to that a "lease" of a couple AAI ATL gates where WN brings them to you with routes you don't fly now and you haul them to the Caribbean.

Right now our contract does NOT allow this to happen. Yours does.

Gup

 

[Juniority]

I'm surprised that I'm not seeing Airtran guys posting here that a relative seniority arbitration would be a bad outcome. Why do I say this? Can you imagine the rage that will result in the SWA pilot group? GK has to be aware of the shiite-storm this would unleash.

Do you really think we'll all go, "Well, if that's what the arbitrator says, then I guess its okay."

I fly most of my trips with guys who come nowhere near being part of the angry, over-the-top, pot-stirring 10%-ers mentioned earlier in this thread, but they all have pretty serious opinions about relative seniority.

Can GK possibly be blind to this train wreck? Synergies? That's funny!

 

[27 driver]

I'm surprised that I'm not seeing Airtran guys posting here that a relative seniority arbitration would be a bad outcome. Why do I say this? Can you imagine the rage that will result in the SWA pilot group? GK has to be aware of the shiite-storm this would unleash.

Do you really think we'll all go, "Well, if that's what the arbitrator says, then I guess its okay."

I fly most of my trips with guys who come nowhere near being part of the angry, over-the-top, pot-stirring 10%-ers mentioned earlier in this thread, but they all have pretty serious opinions about relative seniority.

Can GK possibly be blind to this train wreck? Synergies? That's funny!

I don't think GK is blind to anything. He is a smart guy. Synergies was his word not mine. I am not sure what you want here. I guess if you decide you don't like the arbitration you agreed to you can do what US Air did. Its served them well.

 

[RLAblows]

I'm surprised that I'm not seeing Airtran guys posting here that a relative seniority arbitration would be a bad outcome. Why do I say this? Can you imagine the rage that will result in the SWA pilot group? GK has to be aware of the shiite-storm this would unleash.

Do you really think we'll all go, "Well, if that's what the arbitrator says, then I guess its okay."

I fly most of my trips with guys who come nowhere near being part of the angry, over-the-top, pot-stirring 10%-ers mentioned earlier in this thread, but they all have pretty serious opinions about relative seniority.

Can GK possibly be blind to this train wreck? Synergies? That's funny!

Juniority, unfortunately we can't talk about SLI expectations, but you have a good point, and we do recognize this.

 

[GoodTimes]

Muse, Morris, ATA, Frontier...... Anyone see a pattern?

 

[ivauir]

I don't think the AT pilots have a "go for it all" attitude. Please don't speak for us. We aren't that greedy and have a pretty good grasp of the situation.

RLA,

Brilliant! The smart thing for all of us to do is follow your example and let our teams speak for our interests.

The history of Southwest Airlines is written in shared success; sounds like a good formula for the future.

 

[General Lee]

I don't think the AT pilots have a "go for it all" attitude. Please don't speak for us. We aren't that greedy and have a pretty good grasp of the situation.

Are you kidding me? Really? You actually think you should give away "some" seniority to people that aren't in control of your merger? This was done by GK, not SWAPA. Like OYS says, arbitrators will determine what is and what is not fair. And, you don't want that...... you don't want what you deserve? You should go for it all, as in go for what you deserve. If you don't think that way, go work at a Subway.


Bye Bye---General Lee