SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[Bake]

Well, he is definitely not flying international. He is on here everyday most hours of the day, and not very mature (not that any of us are on this forum). Flying in the cont. US, it would be hard to post as much as he does, but Intnl, just aint happenin'. I don't really care who he is but he aint no delta pilot flying to Rome.

 

[Ty Webb]

Why would an AirTran pilot be in Europe?

Well, for starters, visiting their parents. . . . . . :laugh:

 

[Empennage]

Look, OYS and I are targeting Airtran pilots, who should push their MEC and NC people to get a FAIR SLI via ARBITRATION . It will be great for you too, unless you are near the bottom. Enjoy ELP in the Summertime, I'll be in Europe.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You and your alter ego are simply over stepping your bounds. While it's your opinion this is their best move and choice, that is all it is ... An opinion.

Yet you fail to discuss the possible outcomes post arbitration. There are many and yet you only discuss one. Again shortsighted.

If you are going to continue to facilitate a discussion, then you owe it to your fellow aviators to do so properly and in an ethical manner . So debate all the possible outcomes. Otherwise chill with the boring flame. It is simply Pointless.

To sum it up you are losing credibility amongst not only Swa people, but also airtran people. Sorry bob, but GL just like bob you are being tuned out. Oys already is. Maybe it's time to create alter ego number 2.

 

[On Your Six]

Riddle would not take him!!!

It pays more to be in ELP. imp:

But how will you respond when Delta pay meets or beats SWA pay? You aren't so cocky to believe that nobody else will match or beat it, are you? Then you will say, "at least we have more landings per day than you do...." That day is coming, just like your arbitrated SLI award. We're all excited to see that.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

You going to Riddle next year?

You'll look great teaching there in the new souped up Cessnas, although they are more advanced than most of your 737s. You being placed at the bottom of your combined list may just make you crazy, and even consider that Riddle teaching job.


OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

But how will you respond when Delta pay meets or beats SWA pay?

How WILL I respond when Delta pay meets or beats SWA pay? I could give a $hit about you or Delta.
I hope you beat us in pay, it will just increase our advantage over your operation.

Actually, I'd be happy for the cool Delta guys...you know the Western and NWA guys.

I'm certainly NOT worried about a UAL REJECT, that decided to rock in a rocking chair and now works for DAL. :laugh:

 

[radarlove]

How WILL I respond when Delta pay meets or beats SWA pay? I could give a $hit about you or Delta.
I hope you beat us in pay, it will just increase our advantage over your operation.

Actually, I'd be happy for the cool Delta guys...you know the Western and NWA guys.

I'm certainly NOT worried about a UAL REJECT, that decided to rock in a rocking chair and now works for DAL. :laugh:

This guy does not work for Delta.

 

[GuppyWN]

But how will you respond when Delta pay meets or beats SWA pay? You aren't so cocky to believe that nobody else will match or beat it, are you? Then you will say, "at least we have more landings per day than you do...."

OYS

Been waiting since 2002 for it. Any day now would be FANTASTIC!

Get your own house in order before you tell me how to manage mine.

Gup

 

[General Lee]

Do you really think that they are so inferior to you, that they need to take your advice? That they are too stupid to do this on their own. Why would anyone in their right mind take advice from a Delto pilot, let alone you two clowns? You guys really are dorks.

Inferior to me? No. I hope they ask questions to their MEC and NC, and make sure it is fair. Everyone needs good advice in life, and what OYS and myself give is good advice to the Airtran pilots. I have been through arbitration, and it was less messy than doing it ourselves and having hard feelings at the conclusion. When an outside group with no self interest in the outcome does it, everybody gets a fair number. I can see why you might not want that group to take the advice. That is clear.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Well, he is definitely not flying international. He is on here everyday most hours of the day, and not very mature (not that any of us are on this forum). Flying in the cont. US, it would be hard to post as much as he does, but Intnl, just aint happenin'. I don't really care who he is but he aint no delta pilot flying to Rome.

This shows you don't understand INTL flying. I pick trips based on destinations, around the World. Sometimes I am in the Pacific (Guam, Saipan, Busan, Taipei, Osaka, Narita, Nagoya, Honolulu), and sometimes I fly Europe. Othertimes I go South to Rio or Santiago. That means timezones. I may be typing on here while in Asia, and it is a weird hour in the States. I really do type at all hours of the day, because I am ALL OVER THIS PLANET. You aren't. And Rome doesn't have 767s flying there now, rather A330s. (we have multiple widebody planes, you know)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Been waiting since 2002 for it. Any day now would be FANTASTIC!

Get your own house in order before you tell me how to manage mine.

Gup

That's funny, we are working on it. The airline was very profitable last year, paid down a lot of debt, and should still have a small profit for this year. We had a very smooth merger, SOC was done in record pace. We had an arbitrated list, and that went fine for us, and was fair, which is something all airlines should do during mergers. If you don't want that, then everyone must question why? Why wouldn't you want it done the fair way? Our house is in order, and has been pointed out by the NY Times as a successful merger. You should want that too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You and your alter ego are simply over stepping your bounds. While it's your opinion this is their best move and choice, that is all it is ... An opinion.

Yet you fail to discuss the possible outcomes post arbitration. There are many and yet you only discuss one. Again shortsighted.

If you are going to continue to facilitate a discussion, then you owe it to your fellow aviators to do so properly and in an ethical manner . So debate all the possible outcomes. Otherwise chill with the boring flame. It is simply Pointless.

To sum it up you are losing credibility amongst not only Swa people, but also airtran people. Sorry bob, but GL just like bob you are being tuned out. Oys already is. Maybe it's time to create alter ego number 2.

I haven't seen many Airtran pilots complain. Certainly not Ty or even Lear70, although Lear had the moderator title and then stopped that. I think they think it is interesting to watch. They will be flying with you someday, and this board gives a bit of insight into what they may deal with. What will happen after arbitration? I went through that. It was a shock for some at first, and then they got over it. It was done by an arbitrator, not by other pilots they would fly with. That is why most have gotten over it. Today each pilot group flies with each other, and it isn't bad at all.

But, there are a couple of ways to do it, and the USAir way has proven to be the bad way. They did it with the arbitration first, and then a joint contract. I think that is the way you are doing it, and that may lead to bad feelings if one side holds the award over the others' head (USAir) and doesn't agree to a joint contract. Hopefully you do not do that if you disagree with the ultimate award.


There you go, a civil discussion. You can agree or disagree, but those are the choices. An SLI without an arbitrator won't work, and never really has on a big scale. An outside opinion on what is fair is just that, fair.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

General,

The SLI will be FANTASTIC! You really shouldn't spend every waking moment worried about the new SW/AAI.

 

[ASADFW7]

This delta thread creep is tiresome. Start a new thread for a delta circle jerk. And it is tiresome having one guy gl/oys logged in with two browsers at once.

 

[General Lee]

This delta thread creep is tiresome. Start a new thread for a delta circle jerk. And it is tiresome having one guy gl/oys logged in with two browsers at once.

General Lee, gravey, On Your Six


Looks like we were both on here at once. Maybe he called me and told me to log on. And, let's try a new thread on Delta. I know you would like that to divert attention away from something you are dealing with. If you want that, then go ahead and start one. But, your SLI will be in the forum headlines for sometime to come. It is important to a lot of people, and interesting to others. Try not to ruin that, I am looking forward to the outcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

General Lee, gravey, On Your Six


Looks like we were both on here at once. Maybe he called me and told me to log on. And, let's try a new thread on Delta. I know you would like that to divert attention away from something you are dealing with. If you want that, then go ahead and start one. But, your SLI will be in the forum headlines for sometime to come. It is important to a lot of people, and interesting to others. Try not to ruin that, I am looking forward to the outcome.




Bye Bye---General Lee

Me too Lee, it is going to be interesting.



OYS

 

[radarlove]

This shows you don't understand INTL flying. I pick trips based on destinations, around the World. Sometimes I am in the Pacific (Guam, Saipan, Busan, Taipei, Osaka, Narita, Nagoya, Honolulu), and sometimes I fly Europe. Othertimes I go South to Rio or Santiago. That means timezones. I may be typing on here while in Asia, and it is a weird hour in the States. I really do type at all hours of the day, because I am ALL OVER THIS PLANET. You aren't. And Rome doesn't have 767s flying there now, rather A330s. (we have multiple widebody planes, you know)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Umm...your made-up fantasies are starting to catch up to you, James Bond, world traveler, champion troller.

 

[Empennage]

I haven't seen many Airtran pilots complain. Certainly not Ty or even Lear70, although Lear had the moderator title and then stopped that. I think they think it is interesting to watch. They will be flying with you someday, and this board gives a bit of insight into what they may deal with. What will happen after arbitration? I went through that. It was a shock for some at first, and then they got over it. It was done by an arbitrator, not by other pilots they would fly with. That is why most have gotten over it. Today each pilot group flies with each other, and it isn't bad at all.

But, there are a couple of ways to do it, and the USAir way has proven to be the bad way. They did it with the arbitration first, and then a joint contract. I think that is the way you are doing it, and that may lead to bad feelings if one side holds the award over the others' head (USAir) and doesn't agree to a joint contract. Hopefully you do not do that if you disagree with the ultimate award.


There you go, a civil discussion. You can agree or disagree, but those are the choices. An SLI without an arbitrator won't work, and never really has on a big scale. An outside opinion on what is fair is just that, fair.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You said it! What happened after YOUR arbitration.

Different ball of wax GL. Foster the debate now sir. You owe it to all of us.

 

[General Lee]

Umm...your made-up fantasies are starting to catch up to you, James Bond, world traveler, champion troller.

Not all pilots can fly 6 legs within one State like you can in one day. Good for you. I don't have to do that. What's great is that I really enjoy where I fly, and I have great variety. Good afternoon, from The Marianas. Look up where that is.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You said it! What happened after YOUR arbitration.

Different ball of wax GL. Foster the debate now sir. You owe it to all of us.

If you really think your arbitration will be any different than any of the previous few, you have another thing coming to you. I think you may be surprised. Everyone gets greedy negotiating their own deal, except the arbitrators.


Bye Bye---General Lee