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GuppyWN said:
WN has upgrade roughly 1,000 Captains since 1/1/2006 - or 60% of the entire AAI seniority list.

Is that what you were looking for?

Gup ;)
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I asked in a previous post, how many have upgraded from 2009 until the announcement Sept 27 2010? or How many did you hire in 2009 until the announcement?
 
dicko said:
Not a good bet. It's an thinly veiled threat that you have no way of following through on. It's not what's best for your company, your fellow employees or the shareholders. It's also the exact opposite of what your/our boss has been saying consistently.

I know that was pretty blunt and if I offended you I apologize. The atitude you just described is seen by AirTran pilots as a coercive attempt to affect our decision making. Nothing more.

An SLI that you or I don't like will not destroy a culture.
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You make a lot of sense. However, do think your new boss would rather have 6000 disgrutel pilots or 50% of the 1700 new pilots? The reason I say 50% of the 1700 is because most likely 50% would be happy with being on the bottom. There would only be 50% of the 1700 that would be unhappy.
 
GuppyWN said:
We didn't hire any but we didn't furlough any either.

Gup
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You are referring to our furloughs in 2008. Our management has said several times that it was a mistake. Please don't make the pilot group at AirTran do time for our managements poor decisions. We never claimed they were smart, but after that bad decision they decided we need more pilots, and started hiring and it kept going monthly.
For the guy who thinks the SWA pilots are getting nothing out of this deal. Maybe the pilots of Airtran can get together and have a bake sale monthly and all proceeds will go to you.
 
LOL...... good response.

I don't expect you to COMPLETELY pay for your managements decisions but you cannot be separated from them entirely either. Use your new SWALife login and have a look around. See the difference yet?

You will.

Welcome aboard.
Gup
 
GuppyWN said:
LOL...... good response.

I don't expect you to COMPLETELY pay for your managements decisions but you cannot be separated from them entirely either. Use your new SWALife login and have a look around. See the difference yet?

You will.

Welcome aboard.
Gup
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I already have. I think all AT pilots have. FA's also. Thanks for the welcome aboard. I hope we can settle this stuff with as little strife as possible. I think we all look forward to the future. Consider me one of the pilots who aren't looking for a seniority bump, but something fair.
 
funnyman12 said:
Well guys your SLI predictions are not supported by any method of a past arbitrator's ruling. You may be correct but my understanding of the judicial system suggests that you hypothesis is very unlikely. An arbitrator will make sure that no SW pilot is PRESENTLY affected negatively by the SLI. Arbitrators won't play the "what if" game on lots of growth or stagation predictions for the future. Read arbitrations over the last couple decades, less than DOH never happened and yes ere large pay differences between some of the airlines involved. I re-iterate....I believe no SW pilots seniority should be negatively affected.
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That's why "relative" is often used, because if you were at 60% on your list and flew weekends, you would end up at the same level at the combined company. Arbitrators have liked that method recently, not helping you or hurting you. Since SWA is older and bigger, they may bump SWA pilots up 5% or so in relative seniority, but there will still be both sides near the bottom of the eventual list.


OYS
 
RLAblows said:
I already have. I think all AT pilots have. FA's also. Thanks for the welcome aboard. I hope we can settle this stuff with as little strife as possible. I think we all look forward to the future. Consider me one of the pilots who aren't looking for a seniority bump, but something fair.
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Just remember that management will sign your checks, not SWAPA. You really don't have to thank them for anything. The SLI is business. Seniority is forever. You will work just as hard as GUP will for your company and it's profits. After it is all over, then you guys can hug and dream about being number 1 in ATL.


OYS
 
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B727Driver said:
Wow, your first smart thing you have ever added to FI. Congrats.

Now you know why the SW F/O’s are concerned. I would be too if I were in their position.
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Thanks? The AT guys are concerned too. But, give the arbitrator panel the info, and they should fairly decide it. Do you think they wouldn't? Why would you or any other naysayer NOT want it to be fair?


OYS
 
RLAblows said:
You are referring to our furloughs in 2008. Our management has said several times that it was a mistake. Please don't make the pilot group at AirTran do time for our managements poor decisions. We never claimed they were smart, but after that bad decision they decided we need more pilots, and started hiring and it kept going monthly.
For the guy who thinks the SWA pilots are getting nothing out of this deal. Maybe the pilots of Airtran can get together and have a bake sale monthly and all proceeds will go to you.
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Bake Sale. LOL!
 
dh82dvr, my ADD kicks in as well. I love a dead heat in a blimp race.

OYS, in the great scheme of things, the AT guys are getting a nice raise, benefits, domiciles and other things that have been posted before. A SW pilot will not get any of these, ok ATL as an additional crew base. Other than the new base, what do they stand to gain that is ‘fair and equitable’? I hope the SLI is fair and equitable for all. Another USAir/AWA acquisition is not what needs to happen.
 
Go steelers!
 
"BTW DOH would increase every SW Pilot's seniority significantly, but hurt Airtran guys up to 25%."-
Funnyman- can you tell me about the gains junior SWA FOs would see w/ DOH? When was the last time AT hired prior to the snapshot- it's my understanding that we hired a few hundred in 2008 after AT stopped hiring- meaning strict DOH would have all those FOs at the bottom of the snapshot list-
Do you think that's fair?

Pay is a good argument- most airlines you give up the seniority of being a senior FO to be a junior captain for 30-40% more pay- AT is getting the 30-40% up in pay and a huge stress release by gaining swa mgmt and no looming strikes - how can that not be considered-
 
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waveflyer said:
Pay is a good argument- most airlines you give up the seniority of being a senior FO to be a junior captain for 30-40% more pay- AT is getting the 30-40% up in pay and a huge stress release by gaining swa mgmt and no looming strikes - how can that not be considered-
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You guys crack me up. You just don't quit, do you?

For every argument you raise, there is an equal and opposite argument. These things have all been debated ad nauseum. How about giving it a rest?
 
jonjuan said:
Hundreds of people left majors and the military for UPS between 2003-2008 BECAUSE of the "stability and job security." Very similar to the same group leaving for swa up to 2000.
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Interesting analogy. One major difference is the result.

You don't need to understand fuel hedging to look at decades of profitability and debt vs equity.
 

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