SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[Empennage]

I haven't seen many Airtran pilots complain. Certainly not Ty or even Lear70, although Lear had the moderator title and then stopped that. I think they think it is interesting to watch. They will be flying with you someday, and this board gives a bit of insight into what they may deal with. What will happen after arbitration? I went through that. It was a shock for some at first, and then they got over it. It was done by an arbitrator, not by other pilots they would fly with. That is why most have gotten over it. Today each pilot group flies with each other, and it isn't bad at all.

But, there are a couple of ways to do it, and the USAir way has proven to be the bad way. They did it with the arbitration first, and then a joint contract. I think that is the way you are doing it, and that may lead to bad feelings if one side holds the award over the others' head (USAir) and doesn't agree to a joint contract. Hopefully you do not do that if you disagree with the ultimate award.


There you go, a civil discussion. You can agree or disagree, but those are the choices. An SLI without an arbitrator won't work, and never really has on a big scale. An outside opinion on what is fair is just that, fair.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You are incorrect. This is not like USAir or delta. There is no joint cba. Also how does that transition? That one I will just sit on since you haven't even thought to bring it up.

Point is, you have only your experience. I respect that as well as your opinion. This is however a very different process with very different companies and cultures. Heck it's even a different corporate transaction.

What was best for you may not be best for either pilot in this case.

Moreover you are to an obsessed position with the matter. It is what it is but let it be. Enjoy your life. Enjoy your friends and family. It's ok. We will be ok. The airtran guys will be fine. The Swa guys will be fine.

It's time to move on.

 

[General Lee]

You are incorrect. This is not like USAir or delta. There is no joint cba. Also how does that transition? That one I will just sit on since you haven't even thought to bring it up.

Point is, you have only your experience. I respect that as well as your opinion. This is however a very different process with very different companies and cultures. Heck it's even a different corporate transaction.

What was best for you may not be best for either pilot in this case.

Moreover you are to an obsessed position with the matter. It is what it is but let it be. Enjoy your life. Enjoy your friends and family. It's ok. We will be ok. The airtran guys will be fine. The Swa guys will be fine.

It's time to move on.

That's the unfortunate part. Look at how USAir ended up. No joint contract first, means no pay raise to soften the sting of an arbitration award. You guys are following the WRONG path. Had you just decided to get a joint contract first (like a successful recent merger, wink), it could have gone more smoothly. But, you decided to do it your own way, and it may backfire. I hope it doesn't, and the Airtran guys do have the option of arbitration, which was signed by GK in the Process Agreement. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Empennage]

If you really think your arbitration will be any different than any of the previous few, you have another thing coming to you. I think you may be surprised. Everyone gets greedy negotiating their own deal, except the arbitrators.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Really? Ok. Then we will agree to disagree. The arbitration could be different and it could be exactly the same. It may however change the outcome post arbitration. Fact is there are so many variables and that's where you agree with me. Why? Because everybody agrees on that.

Yet you are missing everything in the process before and after. You are too busy enjoying the sunset that you are missing the car that's about to hit you.

Regardless, it's a Moot point. You need to move on.

 

[Empennage]

That's the unfortunate part. Look at how USAir ended up. No joint contract first, means no pay raise to soften the sting of an arbitration award. You guys are following the WRONG path. Had you just decided to get a joint contract first (like a successful recent merger, wink), it could have gone more smoothly. But, you decided to do it your own way, and it may backfire. I hope it doesn't, and the Airtran guys do have the option of arbitration, which was signed by GK in the Process Agreement. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wonderful. I'll take your good luck.

Can we move on now. Can we go back to our lives?

 

[carl p]

Not all pilots can fly 6 legs within one State like you can in one day. Good for you. I don't have to do that. What's great is that I really enjoy where I fly, and I have great variety. Good afternoon, from The Marianas. Look up where that is.


Bye Bye----General Lee

I used to fly a 727 out there in 95-96 based in Saipan flying to Guam, Truk, Yap, Pohnpei, Kosrae, Majuro, and Cebu. Good times, where do you guys stay in Saipan?

 

[Tripower455]

Inferior to me? No. I hope they ask questions to their MEC and NC, and make sure it is fair. Everyone needs good advice in life, and what OYS and myself give is good advice to the Airtran pilots. I have been through arbitration, and it was less messy than doing it ourselves and having hard feelings at the conclusion. When an outside group with no self interest in the outcome does it, everybody gets a fair number. I can see why you might not want that group to take the advice. That is clear.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Why would a bunch of professional aviators take advice from a kid? "Virtual Airlines" don't count as experience......

 

[Tripower455]

This shows you don't understand INTL flying. I pick trips based on destinations, around the World. Sometimes I am in the Pacific (Guam, Saipan, Busan, Taipei, Osaka, Narita, Nagoya, Honolulu), and sometimes I fly Europe. Othertimes I go South to Rio or Santiago. That means timezones. I may be typing on here while in Asia, and it is a weird hour in the States. I really do type at all hours of the day, because I am ALL OVER THIS PLANET. You aren't. And Rome doesn't have 767s flying there now, rather A330s. (we have multiple widebody planes, you know)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Sitting in your room on MS Flight Sim isn't really flying......

 

[RLAblows]

Sitting in your room on MS Flight Sim isn't really flying......

It is if you have a knee board! Especially a lighted knee board. Don't forget your lady J either, for those long sim trips.

 

[B727Driver]

It is if you have a knee board! Especially a lighted knee board. Don't forget your lady J either, for those long sim trips.

OYS bought the last one.

 

[SWA/CA]

OY6 drinks from the lady J adaptor