SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[madjack]

GL Said: "Let someone looking in from the outside with no stake in the outcome decide."

Well he has no stake in this and does not have to live with the outcome...

Ty: no seat is protected in the current SWA CBA.....? U can still afford 2 buy on SWA FO pay...

 

[funnyman12]

I'm sure there will be protections in any negotiated or arbitrated SLI for both the SW FO's and junior Airtran Captains. Arbitrators have never taken a position away from a pilot and Gary Kelly does not want to downgrade 400 Airtran pilots and upgrade 400 SW pilots into those positions...not only would Airtran pilots lose their seat, other Airtran pilots would be displaced. So 800 training events and potential 400 pilots moving costs (not sure if that is in the SW CBA) would be money down the drain. There are many innovative solutions that protect both pilot groups AND the company. Gary Kelly could take that money that would be wasted and potentially use that money to pay the SW Fo's captain's pay that are senior to Airtran Captains. Who freakin knows...point is there are sooooo many ways this could be done fair and the culture preserved.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty: no seat is protected in the current SWA CBA.....?

Well, then it's a good thing we're not after your seats like you're after ours.

 

[madjack]

1700 AAI CP/FOs getting a raise is a big expense also but he is going to pay it...

 

[madjack]

Ty: Why is your seat protected yet no SWA CP seat is protected??

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty: Why is your seat protected yet no SWA CP seat is protected??

Watchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

 

[-9Capt]

-9,

I guess we can both agree that we hope this whole thing blows up and goes away...and you can stay at AAI.

You: I want your seniority
Me: Ahh, No.
You: Oh yeah, well maybe you'll be out of a job then.
Me: Blow me.

 

[-9Capt]

As to what's "fair and equitable", hopefully our NC/MC's can figure that out. If not, it will be what the arbitration panel says it is.

That much I agree with, sort of.

I'll wager it goes to an arbitrator. I can't see our MC bring back anything that would pass on the SWA side.

 

[General Lee]

You: I want your seniority
Me: Ahh, No.
You: Oh yeah, well maybe you'll be out of a job then.
Me: Blow me.

There you go. Believe it or not, I am not trying to cause discord between you and your fellow bretheren at SWA. You eventually will be flying together. Rather I am making sure that some of you THINK about what really is going on here, and start asking questions to your NC and MEC members. Don't give in to False premises like "You deserve this" or "You owe us", because in reality, you don't. GK liked your airline, decided to merge with it, and you will work just as hard for the new company as current SWA pilots do. You deserve the same pay, and you also deserve a spot on the seniority list that you earned. An arbitrator can figure that out for you, without the pressure from the union or crazy corndogs on this forum.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

That much I agree with, sort of.

I'll wager it goes to an arbitrator. I can't see our MC bring back anything that would pass on the SWA side.

Very smart, and you are probably right. Honestly, I see the SWA people wanting most of the Captain slots, or will say there could be a base freeze for positions, and then SWA will start shifting positions to other bases. You just never know. They only thing that can keep you in your seat or give you a spot where you deserve to be is arbitration. Those arbitrators know SWA is getting a bunch of Airtran planes, and those planes should continue to have Airtran Captains in charge of them. But, if you ask SWA/FO or madjack, they probably think you should kiss their boots and be happy in the right seat, because they are the ones who are ALLOWING you to be there????



Bye Bye--General Lee