SWA/Airtran pilot integration thoughts, what will the new list look like?

[bladeusa]

wouldn't there be two shots....

one at 7:17 and one at 7:37?

As a first step in Merging two things...and compromise.
(plus 2 shots 20 minutes apart & how I've heard that SWA pilots cant really hold their alcohol..something about clothing coming off or whatever)
Why not plan to do the famous shot at 7:37.17

 

[CMonBoard]

There goes bladeusa already alienating us with our new co-workers by reducing the "shots" to "shot." what are you, man? part of the BMT?

 

[PCL_128]

SWA is the buying carrier and that does have history of judges awarding more favorable SLIs

Can you cite examples? I'm not aware of any arbitration awards where that has been the case.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't know, I just made that up!
;-)
Ie: Look at the larger point pcl..

 

[PCL_128]

Ie: Look at the larger point pcl..

I'm with ya! Love the signature, by the way. I'm confident that we can avoid it and come out a strong airline at the end.

 

[General Lee]

SWA is the buying carrier and that does have history of judges awarding more favorable SLIs- it's not our contract that's necessarily important but the fact that the company we work for bought you-
Like I said- My opinion: it'll be a relative integration favoring WN bc we are the one forking over the cash-
My point however is that my "opinion" is pretty damn irrelevant and getting attached to it could seriously damage the culture - which is one of the best things about this...
So I ultimately conclude- who cares? We're all better off joining up so we should let a 3rd party decide so all 7700 of us can be mad at them and call it good.

I'm still wanting that 7700 pilot shot at 7:37)!) no matter how the sli goes down

Hey BEST FRIENDS, sorry I haven't been responding for the past couple days, but I have been flying. Anyways, RESPECTFULLY, I disagree with some of the points you have made. Let's look at the last two mergers--USAir/AWA and DAL/NWA. The arbitrators will be looking at them. USAir was pretty much saved by AWA (using credit to buy them, like a mortgage), and the top 500 guys on the Nicalau list were all USAir East, because the East operation had INTL ops (A330s and 767s going overseas), and then it was relative seniority after that. There was a DIFFERENCE in operations. (INTL vs mostly DOM) Do you guys have different planes, or different operations? I don't think so, infact Airtran has more INTL flying, period. And remember, Airtran has some money in the bank, which will be used by SWA for this merger. They aren't broke by any means.

Then there is the DAL/NWA merger. Both airlines had about the same history, (SWA is older than Airtran/Valujet) but they did the same thing--both INTL and DOM carriers. Delta was bigger than NWA in numbers, and had more larger planes (more 757s and up), but didn't have the biggest planes (744s). Still, the arbitrators found that NWA had older planes (742 cargo birds and some older DC9s (-30s) that were destined to be parked sooner than later), and that is how they molded the SLI. Both sides had lawyers that gave their cases, and the 3 arbitrators decided. SWA has older planes than Airtran (733s and 735s), but have more orders, even though Airtran has orders for 738s that will arrive sooner than any SWA could get.

What does all this mean? Most likely, both lists will be combined, with some of the SLI weighted towards longevity (SWA has pilots who have been flying at SWA longer than AT has been flying), but it probably won't be too slanted. It certainly won't be like USAir East getting the top 500. Maybe SWA will get the top 100, and then the AT guys will be slotted in, and that is decided by the arbitrators. Both sides have their own plans, though. The SWA guys want the AT guys to negotiate, making them think they are LUCKY to be a part of the NEW SWA. But, the NEW SWA wouldn't be as good if they didn't HAVE AT attached. So, if you are an AT pilot, just sit back and let the lawyers and arbitrators handle this. It will be a win win for everyone (stronger company), but only because of the combination, not just the SWA side. The COMBO makes the NEW AIRLINE GREAT. BUT DON'T FRET MY BROTHERS!! YOU ARE ALL DOPE! WHAS UP???? YOU ARE DOPE, DO YOU HEAR ME? AWE----SOME.

Regardless, I think ALL OF YOU ARE FANTASTIC, and if you have time tomorrow, PLEASE, do something nice for someone, like volunteering to participate in a line up at your local police station. There is a 93% chance you won't be singled out for that recent murder the other night. See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

14312 posts and finally popped an artery.

 

[johnsonrod]

Hey BEST FRIENDS, sorry I haven't been responding for the past couple days, but I have been flying. Anyways, RESPECTFULLY, I disagree with some of the points you have made. Let's look at the last two mergers--USAir/AWA and DAL/NWA. The arbitrators will be looking at them. USAir was pretty much saved by AWA (using credit to buy them, like a mortgage), and the top 500 guys on the Nicalau list were all USAir East, because the East operation had INTL ops (A330s and 767s going overseas), and then it was relative seniority after that. There was a DIFFERENCE in operations. (INTL vs mostly DOM) Do you guys have different planes, or different operations? I don't think so, infact Airtran has more INTL flying, period. And remember, Airtran has some money in the bank, which will be used by SWA for this merger. They aren't broke by any means.

Then there is the DAL/NWA merger. Both airlines had about the same history, (SWA is older than Airtran/Valujet) but they did the same thing--both INTL and DOM carriers. Delta was bigger than NWA in numbers, and had more larger planes (more 757s and up), but didn't have the biggest planes (744s). Still, the arbitrators found that NWA had older planes (742 cargo birds and some older DC9s (-30s) that were destined to be parked sooner than later), and that is how they molded the SLI. Both sides had lawyers that gave their cases, and the 3 arbitrators decided. SWA has older planes than Airtran (733s and 735s), but have more orders, even though Airtran has orders for 738s that will arrive sooner than any SWA could get.

What does all this mean? Most likely, both lists will be combined, with some of the SLI weighted towards longevity (SWA has pilots who have been flying at SWA longer than AT has been flying), but it probably won't be too slanted. It certainly won't be like USAir East getting the top 500. Maybe SWA will get the top 100, and then the AT guys will be slotted in, and that is decided by the arbitrators. Both sides have their own plans, though. The SWA guys want the AT guys to negotiate, making them think they are LUCKY to be a part of the NEW SWA. But, the NEW SWA wouldn't be as good if they didn't HAVE AT attached. So, if you are an AT pilot, just sit back and let the lawyers and arbitrators handle this. It will be a win win for everyone (stronger company), but only because of the combination, not just the SWA side. The COMBO makes the NEW AIRLINE GREAT. BUT DON'T FRET MY BROTHERS!! YOU ARE ALL DOPE! WHAS UP???? YOU ARE DOPE, DO YOU HEAR ME? AWE----SOME.

Regardless, I think ALL OF YOU ARE FANTASTIC, and if you have time tomorrow, PLEASE, do something nice for someone, like volunteering to participate in a line up at your local police station. There is a 93% chance you won't be singled out for that recent murder the other night. See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Good analysis Lee. And, I like the new attitude.

 

[johnsonrod]

14312 posts and finally popped an artery.

You must fly for Southwest. No wonder you are upset. Try to enjoy the merger if you can.

 

[Flying the Line]

PCL, the no dowline draft into a day off sounds nice, but if you are JA'd into a day off at SWA it pays double time.

General, If the US/AW was the other way around and it was AW that was almost shut down, the AW guys would not have been given a relative seniority integration as high as it was.