SWA/AAI SLI agreement in principle.

[SkiFishFly]

That said, the MEC should be very careful. There's already recall efforts in motion in ATL by one of the usual suspects and the membership wants to see the agreement if the MC brings one back that matches the AIP; if it matches the AIP and the MC recommends it and they're kept from seeing it, I would bet you my next paycheck that the recall(s) would be successful.

I would say if the MC recommends it and the MEC decides against sending it for a vote, there will be a HUGE uproar. Including successful recalls.

 

[AFcitrus]

You will see the agreement. PERIOD! You may not get to vote on it if the MEC determines that too large of a group will get screwed. But you will get to see so they can show you why the voted as they did. And oh, by the way, that's why we the informed, interested and voting members put them there.

 

[SkiFishFly]

I'm informed. I've voted in every election and I will be thoroughly pissed if the MEC denies the pilot group a vote on this one. If the MC endorses it, the MEC needs to send it out for a vote of the entire group.

 

[PCL_128]

In case anyone wants to know - If the MC recommends it, I want a vote!

That makes no sense. We didn't vote for the MC, we voted for the MEC. They are our reps, not the guys who were appointed. The MC was appointed to do a job, and they've done it. Now it's time for the MEC to do their job, which is to determine whether the agreement is good enough to warrant a membership vote. They shouldn't ignore that responsibility, they should take it seriously. Maybe that means sending it out, maybe it doesn't, but whatever the decision, it should be based on a real analysis and thorough vetting, not based on "well, the MC recommends it, so I'll rubber stamp it." That's not what we elect these people to do.

 

[waveflyer]

Fredo, from everyone I've spoke to- your MC commands way more respect than your dysfunctional MEC, no matter how they got to those positions.

 

[27 driver]

Fredo, from everyone I've spoke to- your MC commands way more respect than your dysfunctional MEC, no matter how they got to those positions.

You are correct sir. I want to vote on this. I don't think the MEC should keep this from a vote. I will vote to recall if they do. I don't know any one of them personally and don't want them to determine my future.

 

[dicko]

You are correct sir. I want to vote on this. I don't think the MEC should keep this from a vote. I will vote to recall if they do. I don't know any one of them personally and don't want them to determine my future.

The MC is universally respected. They are one of the few smart decisions we've made as as a group. PCL attempted to install the usual suspects and was thwarted.

I would ask you to call or email your Reps. Even if they all say something different, you've then made an informed decision. After that it's a personal choice. Attempting to recall anybody before you've spoken with them probably shows that you haven't heard all sides.

 

[SkiFishFly]

27 Driver and Waveflyer are correct. The ATN MC is trusted and respected far more than our MEC. I feel that way and most everyone I have talked to out there on the line have expressed the same sentiment.

PCL - We all know you want the MEC to kill this deal. I think if the MEC fails to send this to a pilot group vote, they would be serving the membership about as well as Harry Reid and the Senate are serving our country right now.

 

[GuppyWN]

You are correct sir. I want to vote on this. I don't think the MEC should keep this from a vote. I will vote to recall if they do. I don't know any one of them personally and don't want them to determine my future.

That's because YOU are involved. I'll promise you that a large % of your membership will vote yes to ANYTHING forwarded to them because they are NOT involved. They will say they are but they don't even read the contract that will guide them at least 5 years of their career. I've seen it at 3 carriers.

So I guess be careful what you ask for cause you just might get it.

Gup

 

[27 driver]

The MC is universally respected. They are one of the few smart decisions we've made as as a group. PCL attempted to install the usual suspects and was thwarted.

I would ask you to call or email your Reps. Even if they all say something different, you've then made an informed decision. After that it's a personal choice. Attempting to recall anybody before you've spoken with them probably shows that you haven't heard all sides.

I have emailed all my reps. I will only vote to recall if they try to block us from voting on this. I feel this is too important for them to decide for all of us. Most of the guys I fly with feel the same way. I don't care if they send it out with a negative rating but send it out to vote. That way the majority can decide.

 

[jonjuan]

Fredo, from everyone I've spoke to- your MC commands way more respect than your dysfunctional MEC, no matter how they got to those positions.

However, as most in this country have lost respect for the president, we are stuck with him and the decisions he makes as it is us who voted him in.

 

[Max Powers]

However, as most in this country have lost respect for the president, we are stuck with him and the decisions he makes as it is us who voted him in.

I haven't lost respect for this president, if anything he has gone up points in my book. It's the TEA party fools with their lack of understanding on financial markets and the impact our government has on our well being as a whole that I have lost respect for.

As far as AAI's MC I'm not so sure about them. Flew with half of them and was not impressed. The third always made some off the wall posts on our web board - I do know they mean well and have our best interests at heart. But their negotiating prowess? Then again GK did pick sides in this SLI which is unprecedented for a CEO when 2 unions are negotiating seniority under a process agreement.

 

[sfomarc]

Which side did he pick?

 

[Empennage]

Which side did he pick?

That is a great question. Depends which side you ask. I think they will both give you a different opinion.

 

[Dan Roman]

I haven't lost respect for this president, if anything he has gone up points in my book. It's the TEA party fools with their lack of understanding on financial markets and the impact our government has on our well being as a whole that I have lost respect for.

As far as AAI's MC I'm not so sure about them. Flew with half of them and was not impressed. The third always made some off the wall posts on our web board - I do know they mean well and have our best interests at heart. But their negotiating prowess? Then again GK did pick sides in this SLI which is unprecedented for a CEO when 2 unions are negotiating seniority under a process agreement.

There is no question the Tea Party loons are screwed up. There are wackos on the far left too, albeit not as whacked as the Tea Party folks. If not for the nut cases on both sides I'm guessing President Obama and Boehner could have come up with a very balanced solution by now that would have been very good for the Country,