SWA - AAI question

[texman]

Since Airtran has the aircraft orders and the
Better growth potential, the senior AT f/o's
Need to have their upgrades protected.

Relative seniority does not protect the
AT senior f/o's, who have higher career
Expectations than their SW
Counterparts.

I wish you could on swa tv and see your CEO Personally state AT needs swa to grow. That should help the fast upgrade.

 

[roughneck]

I saw him saying that on a continuous loop in the lounge the other day. I hope Swapa is making a highlight film of soundbites for the Arbitrator. This should be fun.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

We've been down this road before, and everytime anyone posts factual information you respond with bogus and personal arguments.

I could (and have) said the exact same thing.

http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/bonds.aspx?symbol=aai

http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/bonds.aspx?symbol=luv

FACT:

AAI has a 1.9 debt to equity ratio

FACT:

LUV has has a 0.6 debt to equity ratio

No one said that SWA isn't the stronger company today. I'm not buying SWA stock, though, I am being integrated into your pilot seniority list.

You want our contract. That is easy to understand; it represents a career altering windfall.[

After reading this board for the past three months, I can take it or leave it. I already have the seat, the base, and the pay I need. I'm not interested in selling my QOL for another $50K.

A fair and equitable ISL will recognize these facts and the added risk to Southwest pilots. Unfortunately a handful of FL pilots aren't interested in fair and equitable. Given the turn of last weeks events, I wonder if this hyper militant and unreasonable cadre is in control at ALPA.

I am interested in fair and equitable, but these are highly subjective terms. And, no, no one from ALPA has solicited my opinion any time in recent memory. Has your MC asked you for yours? :laugh:

 

[Lonestar]

Since Airtran has the aircraft orders and the
Better growth potential, the senior AT f/o's Need to have their upgrades protected.
Relative seniority does not protect the AT senior f/o's, who have higher career Expectations than their SW Counterparts.

This kind of thinking may do you harm. You're attempting to define your career expectations as simply getting to the left seat. Didn't most if not all of your pilots hired over the last 5-7 years come from the left seat somewhere else? So if the only expectation of your careers was to get to the left seat, why did you go to AirTran? Unless...was it maybe more money, better benefits, better QOL, etc?
You certainly can't say those things don't matter considering about 98% of you voted to shut your airline down in an attempt to see gains in all those areas.

 

[Bwipilot]

Didn't most if not all of your pilots hired over the last 5-7 years come from the left seat somewhere else? So if the only expectation of your careers was to get to the left seat, why did you go to AirTran? Unless...was it maybe more money, better benefits, better QOL, etc?

It's going to take a lot of thinking to come up with a reply to that one. I'm guessing that it gets ignored like it was never said.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Don't worry, you won't get a response. The AirTran guys on this forum generally run and hide when facts and reality rear its head. Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[dicko]

It's going to take a lot of thinking to come up with a reply to that one. I'm guessing that it gets ignored like it was never said.

You chose to spend your time flying cargo and people in the military. Your choice, hence your airline seniority. Or lack of it. You gained by staying in the AF, and you lost. We are not dissimilar.

Your CEO decided to buy another airline. You had nothing to do with it. Now, you have apparently decided that this is an excellent opportunity to take some seniority that you haven't earned. Not at SWA or at AirTran. You will not personally be paying us money. Why should we personally pay you with our seniority ?

Contracts change. Ask a United or American pilot. They gloated over their contract much as you are. One minute you're making alot of money. The next minute your contract is gutted. Your seniority stays.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

You chose to spend your time flying cargo and people in the military. Your choice, hence your airline seniority. Or lack of it. You gained by staying in the AF, and you lost. We are not dissimilar.

Your CEO decided to buy another airline. You had nothing to do with it. Now, you have apparently decided that this is an excellent opportunity to take some seniority that you haven't earned. Not at SWA or at AirTran. You will not personally be paying us money. Why should we personally pay you with our seniority ?

Contracts change. Ask a United or American pilot. They gloated over their contract much as you are. One minute you're making alot of money. The next minute your contract is gutted. Your seniority stays.

Seriously, we personally earned our contract and working conditions that you may be able to enjoy. We earned that. It is disrespectful in insinuate otherwise.

Our contract has steadily been approved for almost 40 years. This "what if" is such a weak point. One point, while every legacy carrier was getting their contract "gutted", we vastly improved ours.

These "crystal ball" arguments really only weakens any point.

 

[dicko]

Seriously, we personally earned our contract and working conditions that you may be able to enjoy. We earned that. It is disrespectful in insinuate otherwise.

Our contract has for almost 40 years. This "what if" is such a weak point. One point, while every legacy carrier was getting their contract "gutted", we vastly improved ours.

These "crystal ball" arguments really only weakens any point.

I'd be willing to bet that you are claiming far more credit than you've actually earned. Right ? What have you done to "steadily been approved" your contract (Your words not mine ) If I'm wrong then let me know. If you've spent the last 15 to 20 years building your great company then I'll apologize.

You're near the bottom of the list and hoping for a quick seniority bump. At another groups expense. On your CEO's dime.

 

[Dude]

I'm not interested in selling my QOL for another $50K.

Ty,

Do you really think you would be sacrificing ANY QOL? And the $50K number is quite a bit low. I get your other arguments and whatnot, but this statement is just flawed logic and incorrect.

Other than that, good luck with your one-man battle out there....it must be exhausting. Don't you have a MC to do the fighting for you? Go get some fresh air.

Dicko,

At another groups expense.

Are you serious, dude?! What EXACTLY is this deal costing you? What expense? That's the crap that irritates the reasonable out there.