SWA -800 today

[Sy-bill]

Yes SWAPA grossly mishandled age 65.

What would have been the outcome if they handled it well?

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

I understand your argument about voting no because there was no guarantee of a 1 for 1. But I'd like to ask you all, when has the company not ever done the right thing? (With the exception of the Bose headset deal, I still think that wasn't handled right)


SLC

 

[StopNTSing]

I understand your argument about voting no because there was no guarantee of a 1 for 1. But I'd like to ask you all, when has the company not ever done the right thing? (With the exception of the Bose headset deal, I still think that wasn't handled right)


SLC

Good Lord! How long have you been with this company? Don't get me wrong--it's a great place to work, but even at SWA business is still business and a contract is still a contract.

 

[Empennage]

What would have been the outcome if they handled it well?

When it went out for pilot vote we had 2 choices. Do you recall the Alpa vote prior to that? That gave you several options to choose from. Swapa was grossly shortsighted.

There were many options to changing the retirement age. My point was the whole process was mishandled. I think we can all agree on that.

Moot point anyway

 

[Flying the Line]

It passed, with about 75% voting yes.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Sure hope we don't furlough after the fleet reduction since we didn't get any protection.

Gup

Its definitely more of a possibility now. Hopefully with retirements only 743 days away we'll be able to avoid it altogether.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Good Lord! How long have you been with this company? Don't get me wrong--it's a great place to work, but even at SWA business is still business and a contract is still a contract.

I don't see what my longevity here has to do with anything. If I were here 30 years or 1 year I'd ask the same question. I don't claim to know everything, never have. What I was asking for was examples of when the company has done the wrong thing.


SLC

 

[chase]

Self,

Persons can point out firings that weren't justified, operational decisions (no auto-throttles for years, changed their minds years later) that were made for various reasons, UFlyMike headsets, interpretations on CBA issues....all of these an others could be construed as doing the "wrong thing".

Pilot groups could also have that same label attached to them at times if 20/20 hindsight is allowed.

From a purely business standpoint, SWA has pushed the majority of the correct buttons when compared to others in this industry and when compared to many other companies in other industries also. I believe that was our premise but there are some within the company who see things from a pessimistic side, over optimistic side and realistic side. Each will argue their prediction is the most accurate; time will be judge of all of them and so far SWA would still be on the island if this was survivor....they definitely know how to play the "game".

It is no doubt an "employee friendly" company but for some, there is no such thing as an employee friendly company "if" that person doesn't agree with the decision of the company, operational procedure or fails to support the person's position.

No one is perfect, not even SWA, and I never claimed that they were nor do others.

Some however paint a darker picture of SWA happenings and to those who are in this industry who understand the term "dark place", complaints about SWA hold very little water....I get that also.

 

[Lear70]

Watch the language, ladies & gentlemen...

/mod

 

[scoreboardII]

the valmorification has begun.

 

[waveflyer]

SWAs wrong doing is not allowing uflymike- which I really wish I could buy-
AMRs include extracting $250M/year in pilot concessions and then grant raises totaling $260M to management

I quote this often from a VP at amr- paraphrased: "we have no motivation to ever pay our pilots- they will be angry regardless- a 10% raise will be greeted with vitriol at why it wasn't 20%- almost more anger than a paycut or freeze"

All of us should contemplate that...

Swa has done most of the right things- we ought to reward that

 

[MILPILOT17]

If the company doesn't do the right thing they'll have to start hiring again based just on sick time usage; there are people here with a ton of it saved. Don't believe me? Well I just hope the company does the right thing so you don't have to see I'm right. The funny thing is I think they are going to have to hire either way Win-Win! For what it's worth I voted no, but I'm still a believer that SWA will do the right thing.

 

[Tanker Clown]

If the company doesn't do the right thing they'll have to start hiring again based just on sick time usage; there are people here with a ton of it saved. Don't believe me? Well I just hope the company does the right thing so you don't have to see I'm right. The funny thing is I think they are going to have to hire either way Win-Win! For what it's worth I voted no, but I'm still a believer that SWA will do the right thing.

Typical union guy mentality. Kill the golden goose while only being concerned only with himself. I'll never vote against the company after I start, and I'll make sure that management knows that I'm on their side. My buddy says the company is sick and tired of all the hard core pilots who vote down generous contracts...and call in sick too much. He said that often you guys aren't even sick. If I heard about someone doing that, I'd mention it to their boss. I sure hope SWA does a better job of weeding out ungrateful people like some of you on Flightinfo. And if they can't get rid of those cancers already in the company, maybe the hiring process will do a better job of finding team players.

 

[GuppyWN]

You should skip the whole pilot thing and go straight to Flight Ops.

Gup

 

[MILPILOT17]

Typical union guy mentality. Kill the golden goose while only being concerned only with himself. I'll never vote against the company after I start, and I'll make sure that management knows that I'm on their side. My buddy says the company is sick and tired of all the hard core pilots who vote down generous contracts...and call in sick too much. He said that often you guys aren't even sick. If I heard about someone doing that, I'd mention it to their boss. I sure hope SWA does a better job of weeding out ungrateful people like some of you on Flightinfo. And if they can't get rid of those cancers already in the company, maybe the hiring process will do a better job of finding team players.

Idiot has spoken again. How is the weather on the islands these days?