Surrender Certificate

[JAFI]

Tony, I think you hit the nail on the head. Some minor points...

Examiners do not have credentials (110A). Examiners are pilots or mechanics (not employed by the FAA) that are authorized ONLY to give examinations for certificates.

An FAA Inspector has a specialty (in no special order - pilot, mechanic, dispatcher, Avionics or Cabin Safety) and is an FAA employee who has a 110A for access to the cockpit and for identification.


I won't go in specifics but, it is unpleasant when your credentials are lost, very unpleasant. I have not heard of someone pretending to be an inspector to gain access to the cockpit with a lost 110A. But it could happen. I have more picture ID than I care to think about. I don't mind showing it. And phone calls (when in doubt) to your FSDO/POI/Company are not a bad idea.


JAFI

 

[TonyC]

Some minor points...

Examiners do not have credentials (110A). Examiners are pilots or mechanics (not employed by the FAA) that are authorized ONLY to give examinations for certificates.

An FAA Inspector has a specialty (in no special order - pilot, mechanic, dispatcher, Avionics or Cabin Safety) and is an FAA employee who has a 110A for access to the cockpit and for identification.

I stand corrected. Thank you. I should have just read the 8430-13 that I saved from the ride. It says "INSPECTOR'S NAME", "INSPECTOR'S TITLE", "INSPECTOR'S SIGNATURE" and even has pre-printed in the "PURPOSE" block the words "EN ROUTE INSPECTION". I appreciate you bringing that to our attention.

Learn somethin' ever' day - - I love this place!






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[JAFI]

Tony, It is an occupational hazard for me. To hear someone say an Examiner was on your jumpseat using a 8430-13 form is like a nail going across a blackboard. It is not the sound so much as the idea. Too many CFR violations to write up. I just think "They can't do that."

It would be like if you heard of a man who built his own aircraft out of parts from Home Depot and was teaching his pre teen kids to fly aerobatics with his only knowledge from a book on "how to fly".

Maybe not the best example but I hope you see my point.

JAFI

 

[JediNein]

two kinds of Feds I have ran across, maintenance and airmen. Maintenance feds like to look over the airplane for smoking rivets, missing or inoperable items, and inspect the maintenance records. The airmen feds are interested in the qualifications of the airman, and their manner of aircraft operation, etc.

You haven't run across a dual-qualified or even a triple-qualified Fed yet... They have A&P/IA & CFII/ATP certs plus avionics experience.

Somehow it seems they are the most reasonable yet most complete and tough types around... You can't get anything past 'em, yet they know as well as you do that the nav light must have burned out 'in flight'.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[TIS]

2, if you are in an enforcement, don't bring out the ID strip and give it to the FAA. It won't stop the enforcement proceedings, and if they have sufficient evidence for a violation, you're going to get the violation, regardless of the NASA report. Save it until after you get the violation, then present it to have the penalty waived.

This is a little bit misleading. While an ASRS report won't stop enforcement procedings it will put an end to the process.

What will happen is you will get a letter of investigation. You will be asked at that time for your response/rebuttal statement. Have an attorney write this for you and DON'T fail to respond.

If the investigation shows cause for enforcement you will get a letter from FAA legal called an order of suspension. It will come with instructions on how to appeal. It is at this point that you will need to provide evidence of an ASRS report. Don't give up the original! Make sure that the title does not contain incriminating statements that can be used against you.

That WILL be the end of it. You will receive another letter finding that you were indeed guilty as charged but that the penalty was waived by the fact that you participated in ASRS. The violation is on your record for five years after the date of THAT letter.

TIS

 

[TIS]

In some cases ASRS can't help you - reckless operations or criminal activities are not protected under the ASRS program.C425Driver

This isn't quite accurate. An ASRS report cannot help you with criminal activity or INTENTIONAL VIOLATION of FARs. If reckless operation were the key ASRS reports would help no one. Careless or reckless operation is always alleged in EVERY enforcement action. The FAA feels that if you're guilty of violating FARs then you have acted in a careless or reckless manner by definition, and are guilty also of a 91.13 violation.
TIS