SureCheck or CheckMate checklists?

[squale]

Okay, I post this message with fear of getting ripped apart again for newbie questions... but here it goes anyhow..

The plane I am training in, well the checklist is falling apart and is just a piece of crap. So I wanted to either make my checklist or just go buy one from a company that specilizes in just this..

I seem to come up with 2 names of companies that make checklists which are SureCheck and CheckMate...

I was just looking for a little feedback from anybody that might have used either of these to let me know what they feel is the better one, etc.

The paper checklist in the metal key box for the plane I am renting is just not cutting it because of the gas, oil, etc I get on the thing every preflight. Ontop of the fact that it's just falling apart and is cumbersome to use while taking off, in flight or landing.. so I wanted to get my own...

any thoughts here...

Please no flamming...

 

[chawbein]

Stay with the checklist in the plane. It won't be too long before you have it memorized anyways. Don't forget to turn on the "transponster".

 

[Ailerongirl]

Ontop of the fact that it's just falling apart and is cumbersome to use while taking off, in flight or landing.. so I wanted to get my own...

Just like chawbien said, you'll memorize the checklist soon enough, but if it's really bothering you, take the one you have now, type it out on your computer, print it, and go to Kinko's and have it laminated. It won't matter then what you get on it, and it won't fall apart....

 

[dmspilot00]

You didn't mention what kind of airplane you were flying. Some manufacturer's (and also some years of the same manufacturer) have better checklists than others.

I personally would never buy a checklist, for the following reasons: (1) It's a waste of money, and (2) I might not like it. Either make a new photocopy out of the POH or type out your own, and laminate it. Is the checklist your FBO gives you not laminated?

BTW... I disagree about memorizing (at least the pre-takeoff part) the checklist--the whole point of a checklist is so you don't have to rely on memory

 

[Jmmccutc]

checklists, good thing to memorize, even better thing to have there to back you up...

 

[squale]

yeah I am flying a 1979 Cessna 172N with Lycoming 0-320 Series 180HP engine - fixed pitch propeller

yes, the checklist the FBO has is just paper and falls apart constantly, lol

 

[troy]

photocopy and laminate. no need to buy one. the poh has a checklist also, that is what I teach out of.

 

[Ailerongirl]

BTW... I disagree about memorizing (at least the pre-takeoff part) the checklist--the whole point of a checklist is so you don't have to rely on memory

I'm not saying that he should conciously memorize it, but if he flys enough, I'll bet you he memorizes it anyway....

 

[chawbein]

I'm not saying that he should conciously memorize it, but if he flys enough, I'll bet you he memorizes it anyway....

Thanks ailerongirl, that's just what I wanted to say.

 

[squale]

hey while we are on this topic, where do I get a POH from for the airplane I am flying. My instructor told me that I am going to need to buy myself a POH or PIM for the airplane I am flying, and that I should get very familiar to it...

Is there like 1 manufacter for this? does it come straight from Cessna? where do I get one?

 

[dmspilot00]

OK, I see what you're saying about memorizing.

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There should be a POH in the plane already, so if the FBO has a photocopy machine you could just do it that way. Most pilot-supply websites and catalogs will have POHs for sale.

 

[troy]

POH $39.95 via Sportys

 

[chawbein]

hey while we are on this topic, where do I get a POH from for the airplane I am flying. My instructor told me that I am going to need to buy myself a POH or PIM for the airplane I am flying, and that I should get very familiar to it...

Is there like 1 manufacter for this? does it come straight from Cessna? where do I get one?

That's BS dude, photocopy theirs and study it. Why should you shell out another $40 for a POH?

 

[squale]

well it's actually the Pilot's Information Manual (PIM) that you buy... NOT the POH correct? I think there is ONLY 1 POH per plane and that MUST stay in the plane...

I believe what I need to get in the PIM right?

 

[chawbein]

To tell you the truth, I never looked at the POH until my checkride, I don't even know what a PIM is. The plane had a handy laminated card that had the checklists, vspeeds, and average fuel consumption. Anything more than that is kind of overkill IMHO.

 

[dmspilot00]

well it's actually the Pilot's Information Manual (PIM) that you buy... NOT the POH correct? I think there is ONLY 1 POH per plane and that MUST stay in the plane...

I believe what I need to get in the PIM right?

If you want to get technical, yes, that's right.

Some instructors require their students to buy aircraft manuals (to use a generic term), others don't. Mine didn't. She lent me hers so I could at least look at it and because there were questions from it on my presolo test. It is nice to have one, but it is not really mandatory.

On one hand the aircraft manual for a 1979 airplane is probably pretty comprehensive. The manuals for older 70s aircraft are usually useless, for example the 1974 172 and the Piper Arrrow II manuals are very thin with not much information.

On the other hand the engine conversion will render a regular 79 C172 manual not very useful anyway...

 

[cvsfly]

I think it has been hinted at before on your other posts. You need to let your instructor guide you - set the pace - direct the instruction during your first few weeks. He needs to organize the training so everything progresses correctly and builds on previous lessons. If he is just filling in the blanks in the training record every time you show up and nothing more he is doing you a disservice. Demand more from him, but let him set the pace of instruction. Getting advice and "instruction" from this board could be dangerous. Many different opinions, some good, some bad.

 

[squale]

If you want to get technical, yes, that's right.

Some instructors require their students to buy aircraft manuals (to use a generic term), others don't. Mine didn't. She lent me hers so I could at least look at it and because there were questions from it on my presolo test. It is nice to have one, but it is not really mandatory.

On one hand the aircraft manual for a 1979 airplane is probably pretty comprehensive. The manuals for older 70s aircraft are usually useless, for example the 1974 172 and the Piper Arrrow II manuals are very thin with not much information.

On the other hand the engine conversion will render a regular 79 C172 manual not very useful anyway...

oh okay, are you talking about the upgrade from 160HP to 180HP on the 1979 C172N model?

when did Cessna STOP making the 172N's and what was the engine sizes for the 1980+ models of this plane?

 

[dmspilot00]

Wow you reply fast...

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=141

The 172N was powered by a 120kW (160hp) O-320-H designed to run on 100 octane fuel, but the engine proved troublesome and was replaced by the similarly rated O-320-D in the 172P of 1981. The P was the last basic 172 model, remaining in production until 1985.

Higher performance 172s include the R172 Hawk XP, powered by a 145kW (195hp) Continental IO-360 and the 135kW (180hp) Lycoming O-360 powered, retractable undercarriage 172RG Cutlass. The 172 was also produced under licence by Reims in France as the F172 and FR172.

Basically the regular Cessna 172 (except the Hawk/RG) was 160HP until the 172SP in 1997 or whatever year it was.

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

The engine upgrade on the 172N's doesn't up the engine HP at all. It up's the weight to 2400 (from 2300), and removes the 40 degree flaps. It also changes the reccomended shortfield takeoff from a 0 degree to a 10 degree (optional) but 5kts slower takeoff speed else you don't get any benefit.

The engine upgrade changes it from a O-320-H*** to a O-320-D.

You will memorize your checklist regardless of if you want to or not. When I am short on time, I can run through the whole startup/electronics/taxi/runup/takeoff checklist from memory in less time than it takes me to get to the runway.

If the checklist in the aircraft isn't laminated, then go out and build your own or buy one. I would perfer to buy one b/c it is easier and it won't leave anything out but it's up to you. Also, having your own checklist is nice in case someone 'borrows' the checklist in the aircraft. Having a copy of the POH is nice because then you can study on your own (and not bother us ).