Support Glenn Duffy... Say "Adios" at JFK/LGA/EWR and ZNY

[knightflyer]

It was a lapse in judgment. Not many people care. The ones who do care are the ones who handled it. I suppose the FAA only saw it one way. Part 65 Sub part B. I'm no lawyer and I don't know what the limits are for a "trainee" to operate the radio or receive instruction. The way I read it is you must have passed a Practical Test to operate in the tower. It also appears that each facility is specific so, I guess JFK operators can not operate in DSM and vice verse. The whole thing is silly. We are all held to the regulations. This was no exception.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.4&idno=14

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah- that's the whole point- regulations are there for a reason- and it's not to stop all the dad's who constantly let their kid say "cleared for takeoff"- we have to read between the lines and still use common sense judgement. This should have been nothing more than a good memory in that boy's life- not the stressful embarassment it's become.

Any updates- is this guy's career really in jeopardy? Or are they just slapping him on the wrist for a week?

 

[relief tube]

blame the 24 hour news networks who spew stories that aren't even news...they then get the public all worked up, who then demand action.

 

[Blade Runner]

blame the 24 hour news networks who spew stories that aren't even news...they then get the public all worked up, who then demand action.

Ok, no more cccccyyyaa's in DTW it's now Adios !!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

He's got my support (whatever that means).

 

[agonyairfo]

Does anyone feel that these types of situation are at all related, no matter how indirectly, to the erosion of Captain's authority? It seems to foster an atmosphere where everyone is afraid to think for themselves, exercise their own judgment, not only not going outside the box but even staying away from the edge of it.

For example, the RJ that was stuck on the ramp all night with passengers on board because (I forget who, ops control, chief pilot, station, etc.) said that they could not deplane the passengers. So they sit there all night trapped on and ERJ because someone told them no. Or when you fly with a guy who gets de-iced, not because we need it, but because everyone else is getting de-iced so he doesn't want to raise any eyebrows. It feels like more and more pilots are afraid of their own shadows.

 

[HalinTexas]

You, my friend, are part of the problem. This kid was not making any operational decisions...was not vectoring airplanes or commanding a climb or descent. All he was doing was being a parrot to what his father, who is a qualified controller, was telling him to say. I say great! The kid had an experience that may influence his future career decisions and may have increased the bond between a father and son. To make this into anything more than that is pure B.S.. Would it be better if the kid gave takeoff instructions in DSM?? F.ck you all who think that big city stuff is so much more important. I am completely behind the Dad who brought his kid to work and in no way sacrificed safety of airline travel in any way.

Me? I'm outta work. Every day away takes me further away. Lesser men are flying airplanes around the system thinking they're untouchable, or should be. I know of pilots that were fired for lesser transgressions. A couple in particular shook a whole country up. Save the bonding for the playground.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Lesser men are flying airplanes around the system thinking they're untouchable, or should be.

Easy there Chuck.

 

[thinairupthere]

old school attitude= out of work

 

[Fins Up]

I'm in as well. I'm going to post this on our company pilot boards as well. Hope we can help these guys. Anyone know the other controller's name who was also suspended?

Adios!

 

[HalinTexas]

old school attitude= out of work

New School = Work for nothing, it's a playground (lookee me shiny jet!). "Grip-n-Rip!" The union will save me.

I may be traveling by ground from now on.

 

[Dan Roman]

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Being professional doesn't mean rigid black and white adherence to the rules as much as being able to use common sense.
It's nice to see the overwhelming majority on here have a common sense view that a Father spending quality time with his son and in no way shape or form jeopardized safety is a good thing.
This case shows how 24 hour news (entertainment) has perverted our society.
I just had a small kid in the cockpit while we were on the ground boarding, I let him sit in the left seat with my hat on for his parents to take a picture. I'm sure there is some "news" person out there that could twist that into "I broke the rules and jeopardized safety".

I feel bad for the father, but also, just think how this poor kid feels.

Adios

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I just had a small kid in the cockpit while we were on the ground boarding, I let him sit in the left seat with my hat on for his parents to take a picture. I'm sure there is some "news" person out there that could twist that into "I broke the rules and jeopardized safety".

No doubt. The media can spin "what ifs" to infinity, like he somehow disturbed a flow or untoggled something when you werent looking.

 

[waveflyer]

As if the media knows what a flow is...

 

[pilotyip]

Different

I'm sorry I'm not "in" on this. He blew it. Stupid move. If a pilot had his kid in the cockpit working the radios, he'd be fired. The public would be outraged, and Congress would have hearings. Of course his union would get his job back.

This isn't "play time" folks. We're supposed to be about "safety." Not "par-tay."

Doing this at JFK, of all places, went over the line.

You want professional compensation, then we should demand professional behavior.

How is this much different than a new studnet pilot calling for take off at a controlled airport while being supervised by his instructor?

 

[eelb53]

The problem is the media and general public see aviation as a high wire act, where the slightest wrong move results in catastrophe. They don't understand the redundancy in the system, ATC or otherwise. To them, having the kid on the frequency was a dangerous act, and mid-airs were a strong possibility.

 

[skybert]

Adios it is. That dad is one of my new heros!

 

[AC560]

Best way to show solidarity for those working a professional pilots job who think the controller did the right thing is bring their kids (or borrow one) into the cockpit and let them do some flying on a trip and PA announcements to the passengers.

 

[skybert]

I've taken all three of my kids with me on charters back in the day. You could get away with common sense at one time.

 

[Quimby]

I've taken all three of my kids with me on charters back in the day. You could get away with common sense at one time.

Flying can still be fun, as long as you're not doing it on someone else's terms.

Too bad it's all CYA now.