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Support Glenn Duffy... Say "Adios" at JFK/LGA/EWR and ZNY

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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/03/pilots-say-adios-to-support-suspended-controller/#ixzz0hgOu3I7r

Pilots are rallying behind Glenn Duffy, the air traffic controller suspended after allowing his kids to issue instructions to airliners at JFK airport, by ending their transmissions the same way Duffy’s son did — by saying “adios.”
The Federal Aviation Administration has come down hard after the incident was made public last week, launching an investigation and suspending its practice of allowing visitors inside air traffic control facilities, including control towers, at all FAA controlled airports nationwide. And Duffy has been suspended pending an investigation. That isn’t sitting well with pilots, who think the feds are being unduly harsh.
A recent posting over at liveatc.net features a radio call from a Delta pilot (.mp3 file) who tells one of the controllers who was working with Duffy at the time, “Thoughts going out to your co-worker there. I think it’s BS what he’s going through.” Other pilots are finishing their transmissions to the tower by saying, “Adios,” according to the New York Daily News. That’s how Duffy’s 9-year-old son ended his communication with the pilot of an AeroMexico flight — who, by the way, responded with an “adios” as well.
During the transmissions, the young boy gives instruction to five planes operating at JFK. With the exception of his Spanish and obviously young voice, Duffy’s son gave the same instructions any controller would. Pilots given instructions by the boy seemed entertained and not at all concerned. Nevertheless, the FAA and the National Air Traffic Controllers Association have condemned the incident.
No word on when the ban on air traffic control tower visits will be lifted.
Photo: Flickr / Vidiot


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Thanks for the thread. I`m in. But How can we support Glenn Duffy? Demostrations, calling senators or Reps or ALPA????
 
refust to follow ATC until they reinstate him. . . let me know how that turns out for ya.

where in the article does it say that? Or is that your own suggestion? If it is, why make their day worse when they had nothing to do with it.
 
I say a nation-wide 'adios' campaign.
 
I'm sorry I'm not "in" on this. He blew it. Stupid move. If a pilot had his kid in the cockpit working the radios, he'd be fired. The public would be outraged, and Congress would have hearings. Of course his union would get his job back. :rolleyes:

This isn't "play time" folks. We're supposed to be about "safety." Not "par-tay."

Doing this at JFK, of all places, went over the line.

You want professional compensation, then we should demand professional behavior.
 
Chill Halin,

This was stupid for him to do only because of the society we live in. You can't do anything anymore without it being a huge deal. In reality this had absolutely no detrimental effect on safety plus the kid gets to have a great memory with his dad.

It sounds like a big safety issue only because the morons at CNN run headlines like "Kid controls traffic at one of nation's busiest airports." This is disingenuous. So the general public is mislead and the FAA thinks it needs to react. So this guy gets his head on a platter because the FAA wants to be viewed as "tough" on safety issues because it costs nothing and it isn't a tough issue. Sacrificing him is basically a political expedient/public relations driven action. So no, I do not support it.
 
Although, let's be honest. The kid is a bit of a bottom feeder. He came into work, he did the job, enjoyed it, and did it all for no pay. How can you compete with that?

He should be on "the list"
 
I'm sorry I'm not "in" on this. He blew it. Stupid move. If a pilot had his kid in the cockpit working the radios, he'd be fired. The public would be outraged, and Congress would have hearings. Of course his union would get his job back. :rolleyes:

This isn't "play time" folks. We're supposed to be about "safety." Not "par-tay."

Doing this at JFK, of all places, went over the line.

You want professional compensation, then we should demand professional behavior.

You, my friend, are part of the problem. This kid was not making any operational decisions...was not vectoring airplanes or commanding a climb or descent. All he was doing was being a parrot to what his father, who is a qualified controller, was telling him to say. I say great! The kid had an experience that may influence his future career decisions and may have increased the bond between a father and son. To make this into anything more than that is pure B.S.. Would it be better if the kid gave takeoff instructions in DSM?? F.ck you all who think that big city stuff is so much more important. I am completely behind the Dad who brought his kid to work and in no way sacrificed safety of airline travel in any way.
 
Wouldn't we all like to take our kids to our work. I thought it was cute and not dangerous at all. Heck, I have heard controllers being trained do a lot worse then that kid.

I'm in.

ADIOS!
 
Straight out of our FOM. I imagine all carriers have something similar.

"The upmost care should be given to ensure
the understanding, and when necessary the clarification, of instructions from ATC."

Clearly not a great idea to have your 4 year old giving ATC instructions, but I can't believe there is an airline crew in the free world that wouldn't feel they were well within their rights to request clarification if they thought it was warranted.

No harm, no foul, lesson learned, move on.

(Yes, it really says "upmost," not the correct "utmost.")​
 
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Dittos to all of the above (except Hal). Having my son in the cockpit isn't remotely like having your kid in the tower cab, and what happened used to be a common thing at enroute centers. Thanks, nanny-state (sigh); Adios, amigo.
 
Stupidest non story of the year-
"adios"
 
I'm in. With all the real problems, I can't believe this has become such a big deal. Who really cares who utters the words "cleared for takeoff"...Heck sometimes we take off without those magic words being uttered at all....is that dangerous?
 
Chill Halin,

This was stupid for him to do only because of the society we live in. You can't do anything anymore without it being a huge deal. In reality this had absolutely no detrimental effect on safety plus the kid gets to have a great memory with his dad.

It sounds like a big safety issue only because the morons at CNN run headlines like "Kid controls traffic at one of nation's busiest airports." This is disingenuous. So the general public is mislead and the FAA thinks it needs to react. So this guy gets his head on a platter because the FAA wants to be viewed as "tough" on safety issues because it costs nothing and it isn't a tough issue. Sacrificing him is basically a political expedient/public relations driven action. So no, I do not support it.
Very much agree! ADIOS!
 
I'm in. With all the real problems, I can't believe this has become such a big deal. Who really cares who utters the words "cleared for takeoff"...Heck sometimes we take off without those magic words being uttered at all....is that dangerous?

I can see the news now:

Breaking news! Hundreds of airliners depart every day without takeoff clearance!!! More at 11!
 

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