Sully's landing

[ttuite]

...lucky in my book.

But I guess we don't chat about the new clothes the emperor has just put on.

"I got it!"

Your ignorance in how an airbus works is showing. Grow up! Just as impressive as how Skiles and Sully handled this emergency is how they handled the aftermath. For a few weeks airline pilots were someone special again. Of course you can do it all and you know it all so you would never need any positive PR.

 

[Bad-Andy]

And as for the flying and talking on the radios thing -- that is not an error or pride or whatever else you want to call it. That is Airbus Standard procedure. Straight from FCOM 3, when the PF calls for "ECAM Actions" (or a Paper Procedure from the QRH), he automatically takes the flying and radio duties. The PNF is then free to run the Procedure/Checklist/Whatever without interruption. So, Sully taking over the radio had nothing to do with being macho, old, whitehaired, etc. He was simply following the standard procedures that nearly every (if not every) Airbus operator uses...

Just to straighten out another of your misconceptions...

 

[bubbers44]

My airline in training has the pilot flying also work the radio to let the other run the checklist. The FO just got off IOE so letting him land an unfamiliar plane to see if 155 pax will survive with a low time in AC pilot would make no sense. Ego's should not be considered in an emergency situation.

 

[shearedshaft]

I dunno, I think Radar's on the right track. I keep picturing Sully up on stage, saying:

"Good eveeeeening everyone! Glad to be here!

While we wait for the Viagra to kick in so you can get back to slurping my 'little hero', I wanted to give a shout out to somebody who helped me get here; who gave me my mad skillz to do what I do best...

So props need to go out to...you know who you are...MY TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE!

Give it up now!

I know I use a lot of 'I' when I talk about how amazing I can be, but it all started with 'I got it', and y'all know the rest.

Well hey, looks like the little hero is a big hero now, so I'll let my mad fanz getback to work! Peace out!"

 

[reido737]

radarlove and shearedshaft are ****************************** Bags!!!

 

[i fly boxes]

Ok. All hail the hero.

"I got it". Why, exactly, did he get it? Just a quick question and you can go back to your bowing and scraping.

Ok lets go with your scenario then
Birds hit the plane, about 4 seconds lapse
skiles - "i have the radios, perform QRH for Double engine failure"
Sully grabs qrh,
skiles declares an emergency and tries to fly the plane back towards the airport
sully fumbles with the qrh because the ground is quickly approaching (this is not a simulator session), manages to get the apu started but there is not enough time to do anything else because of the amount of time it took to get the appropriate check list and never alerts the F/A or passengers because of the time needed to do the checklist - meanwhile, skies has been trying to reach an airport but doesnt, (not knocking skiles he is probably a great pilot), the airbus starts yelling "retard" and you know the rest.

Just a scenario but i think you get the picture

I think i would take "i got it" any day. It absolutely amazes me that anyone could knock sulley for anything about that day. It also disturbs me. Its almost like you are jealous because he has a little bit of fame now. Why dont you start ripping Al Haynes while you are at it, i am sure he did something non standard during UAL 232. Checklists are important and should be used every single flight, but checklists don't drive q 400's into the ground, they don't over fly major international airports, and they dont make crucial decisions for you when they are needed the most.

 

[Fast43]

The thing is though,

Sully decided to abuse his new found fame and stick his nose in where he shouldn't have.

He testified for usapa in Federal Court in an effort to throw each and every ex-AWA pilot under the bus. He had no involvement in any usapa activities prior to this, he did not have any part in any of the merger/contract activities. He had no business showing up in court as "witness". Just because he lands in the Hudson does not make his opinion any better than anyone elses. But he thought so. The Jury on the other hand did not, as Sully was soundly discredited. (I was there and saw this occur) Even the Judge warned usapa of the perils of putting up an irrelevent witness.

I had alot of respect for the man prior to his trip to the Courthouse.



Instead of dwelling on the "ditching push button" maybe someone will ask sully about what "TOGA" means and when you use it.



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[bubbers44]

Toga doesn't do anything if the engines aren't able to develop more thrust. I don't understand the anger some people show here against Sully. Now you are making it a union matter. I know the west and east pilots are battling but don't bring it up on this thread. I believe Sully was PSA before USAIR aquired them.

 

[Dan Roman]

Right you are. I'm no fan of USAPA myself, but that has nothing to do with the fact he did a great job in the ditching. I don't see him as some publicity hound at all. It's not his fault America is always looking for a new celebrity. Jeez, look at some of the crap we make famous in this country, Paris Hilton, Kardashians, that couple with all the kids that are divorcing, etc. Those people are temples of self absorption and have made it their life's work to get attention without accomplishing anything. At least Sully is getting positive recognition for our profession and has earned his spot in the limelight.
Obviously there are a few that are jealous, but it's nice to see the overwhelming majority here appreciate what he did and are not going down the petty little backbiting path.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Sully did a great job in brining his crippled plane down safely with no one getting hurt. But with that said ,you gotta wonder if he would have been such a "huckster for a buck-ster " with his 15 mins of fame if, God-forbid the ditching would have resulted in fatalities. One thing is for certain,though.
"Chug-a-lug " Doug and the "Balloon and Confetti " crowd at corporate love him. Witness his new cubicle and fancy title.

PHXFLYR

 

[se1776]

Everybody walked or floated away from that landing...
Perfect weather conditions during the day no wind. Of course, that Captain is a hero.
Who care about the rest of the crew?

Come on people, you know the captain always going to get all the credits.
I do not see the other crewmember on a TV commercial?
Nobody talks about them, nobody care. It sucks but that is the reality.
Enough of this $hiet already... let us move to something else.

Let talk about the other Hero in Buffalo NY. Yeah! the Colgan Idiot,or the Northwest crew that overshot the airport. how about those heroes?

Remember something guys.

You are always going to be remembering on the last thing you did.
Whether was a heroic maneuver or a stupid one.

You have 30 to 45 minutes to get all the information to cover your a$$.

The FAA NTSB the Media and other pilot have an eternity criticized and punish you.

 

[say again]

...lucky in my book.

But I guess we don't chat about the new clothes the emperor has just put on.

"I got it!"

So I guess Al Haynes was just "unlucky" considering people were killed? You sir, are a moron. I see Im not the only to see that. But hey, jealousy will do that to people.

 

[radarlove]

While we wait for the Viagra to kick in so you can get back to slurping my 'little hero', I wanted to give a shout out to somebody who helped me get here; who gave me my mad skillz to do what I do best...

So props need to go out to...you know who you are...MY TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE!"

Now I don't care who you are, that's funny, that right there!

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

If a pilot doesn't have his head in the cockpit or sightseeing, can he see and avoid geese by looking where he's going? I believe that geese, especially a flock, can be seen and avoided just like slow moving GA airplanes.

 

[radarlove]

I believe that geese, especially a flock, can be seen and avoided just like slow moving GA airplanes.

Now I don't care who you are, that's funny, that right there (too)!

 

[jimcav]

The first thing I thought of as I processed those events while watching an Airbus floating in the river was the experience level in that cockpit. That was the first thing I said to my wife. The Sully haters just show their inability to see the big picture. Who cares what f**kin checklists were done? Those dudes saved a lot of lives that day. God bless them!

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The first thing I thought of as I processed those events while watching an Airbus floating in the river was the experience level in that cockpit. That was the first thing I said to my wife. The Sully haters just show their inability to see the big picture. Who cares what f**kin checklists were done? Those dudes saved a lot of lives that day. God bless them!

I agree with the results, no one was killed. He did a good job once he hit the birds; but the questions is: If he had been paying more attention to looking out the window for traffic and birds, especially geese which are well known to be in that area, could the bird strikes have been avoided? We have all seen lots of flocks of geese and they are realatively easy to not only see, but to also avoid if a pilot is paying attention. The fact is that pilots have their heads in the cockpit way too much nowadays. That was the real cause of this accident.

Yes, Sully was a hero once the geese were hit, but how about before? Was this accident avoidable? I say yes, it was avoidable.

Other comments are welcome.

 

[Fast43]

Toga doesn't do anything if the engines aren't able to develop more thrust. I don't understand the anger some people show here against Sully. Now you are making it a union matter. I know the west and east pilots are battling but don't bring it up on this thread. I believe Sully was PSA before USAIR aquired them.

You might be a bit confused, SULLY, made it a union matter. When he used his newfound fame to espouse an opinion that was aimed at benefiting his fellow east pilots at west pilots expense. I did not have anything to do with him doing this.

It's kinda like when these moviestars make a few movies and then decide that everyone should hear their opinion about other things. Sure the movie might have been good but, keep the opinions to yourself.


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[dojetdriver]

You also have to give a tip of the hat to the controllers.

True

But if the controller screwed up, he would have gone home that day. In all reality, he didn't have anything to screw up, not like he vectored the plane into a mountain, let a lone the geese. The controller's situation was a relatively "canned" one as far as how to handle an aircraft in distress. I'm NOT downplaying the job they did, nor saying they aren't important, etc.

If Sullenberger/Skiles screwed up, they probably wouldn't have been able to go home. Their emergency wasn't a "canned" scenario so to speak.

 

[JT12345]

I think his performance was average. Not perfect and none of you would have been perfect either in the same situation.

I think to be critical of him is a diservice to us and to say he did a great job is a diservice to us also. I think he did what most of us would have done. An exceptional situation, but cut and dry decision making. From my experience he did what was best, and what was obvious.