Strike Vote @ ASA...

[outtahere]

The time has come, it will be hard for everyone, but unless you came to ASA with 300 hours, you had to struggle to get to this point, and this is no different. Just like landing your first or second airline job, this takes determination and sacrifice. I am married, two kids, one on the way, Wife will be out of work for the next year, and I vote a very loud YES!!!

 

[MELIT]

The time has come, it will be hard for everyone, but unless you came to ASA with 300 hours, you had to struggle to get to this point, and this is no different. Just like landing your first or second airline job, this takes determination and sacrifice. I am married, two kids, one on the way, Wife will be out of work for the next year, and I vote a very loud YES!!!

You should strike. This way ASA will fail to exist and there will be more flying for me in a new shiny jet!

 

[scarlet]

making 30k WOW--you can have it--for 30k---F.O. that is
away from family 3-4nights a week-- making about F.O.$18-30.00 per hour for captains: it works out to be for a 40 hour work week...for normal job, home everyday no union - oh no the pass priviledges will be gone--they are already going--

 

[Redan]

Ladies and Gents,

This thread displays the real deal. This is important stuff for us now.

A few additional observations:

Posters such as this "Melit" have no stake in our situation and are simply throwing fuel on the flames. Their comments are not worthy of a response and it is a waste of our energy to do so. Posters such as “Uncle Rico” aren’t much better. I feel it is unlikely this person is an ASA line pilot. If he is, I find it disturbing to note his negativism and lack of understanding of our issues. Of greater concern is the rash jumping to conclusions without taking into account all available information, and then spitting out a belligerent post. Combined with the unprofessional attitude displayed in the reply to the very insightful post of “Grassstrippilot” and I feel we’re looking at a safety issue. When I encounter another pilot with an attitude problem I quickly make it very clear this will not be tolerated on the flight deck. I would encourage my fellow pilots, no matter how junior, to do the same. You do not have to put up with it; a stress filled cockpit is not safe.

On examining the history of labor relations in the US, it becomes clear that few companies get a union unless it is richly deserved. Even then, it is seldom easy to win a union drive. Unfortunately, so often management concludes the employees are an enemy rather than an asset. Companies will often go to any length and expense to subvert labor, particularly organized labor. To the typically myopic view of management, there is little incentive for employee concern. Often management will expend vast amounts of resources and energy in their anti-labor efforts. Usually this is at the great expense of numerous other issues which merit attention and would be much more beneficial to the business if addressed. These battles with labor often become something like a personal vendetta and have done enormous damage to countless companies destroying any and all good will. Almost universally, management is so out of touch with their employees that they actually feel their actions are justified. And regrettably, labor is an easy target, much easier for management to attack than focusing on other fundamental aspects of the business. We’ve all seen it: management has easy access to the public ear. They are able to put on whatever spin they desire (with the aid of their high priced anti-labor law firm) and they can “cook” the books somewhat to “prove” their point. Additionally, it is simply just more desirable to come up with a black and white, in print “cost reduction” there for everyone to see.

Hence, we see why there are numerous firms in the US specializing in “labor relations.” These folks have a book of recipes to follow in attempts to thwart labor. The efforts of companies to subdue labor are mapped out for them by these firms...while generating huge billing for them. As far as airlines go, the pattern has become so predictable it’s almost boring. Labor groups are played against each other. Doomsday scenarios are spun that require labor to give back (to compensate for management’s mistakes if truth be told). The trend is not just to prevent any gains by labor, but to chip away at what labor already has i.e. reinterpretation/renegotiation of existing good faith agreements. The most common tactics: doom and gloom, divide and conquer. Every effort is made to circumvent the unity of the pilot group. And the sad result, the pilot group almost always caves in. They are their own worst enemy. A close to home example, many counseled the Comair pilots to reject the LOA by management last January. I’ll bet they wished they had listened.

The here and now: Like it or not, this is the situation the ASA pilots are facing. We don’t want it, but our hand is forced. There are many examples of modern management which recognizes employee value and the benefits of everyone playing on the same team, Jet Blue and Southwest are notable for this. Unfortunately, ASA has always been managed with the archaic old school myopic style of decades ago. Some of the dinosaurs have been run out of town, but for the most part the players haven’t changed much. Hence we have to work it the old fashioned way, we simply have no choice.

ASA pilots are a great bunch of folks. We want to be team players. We want be on time, to save gas, to satisfy customers, to make money for our company. Pilots are problem solvers who relish a challenge. But our management (and their expensive law firm) know this well. They have us pegged. They can read us like a book. They can and do use these fine qualities against us...to manipulate us. They know we will play along. We’ll use our cell phone (unreimbursed), we’ll do everyone else’s job to get out on time. And apparently, (they hope) here in soon to be 2006, we’ll be satisfied with a mid 1990’s contract. I, for one, have noticed a bit of an increase in the cost of living since the mid 1990’s.

The greatest asset we have is our unity. If we are unable to demonstrate tremendous unity we have lost. In the science of “labor relations” the primary objective is to destroy unity through any means necessary...any means. Stand by for management to do or say anything to this end. There will be attempts to play one labor group against the other (really, we should be allot more unified with our FAs). Threats up to and including the dissolution of ASA will come. These will be creative and will sound valid. But the pilot group must not be fazed. It is all just part of the game...and it is a game. Rather than cave in, we have to call their bluff. Throw it right back in their face aggressively. The ASA pilots have to learn from history. We must play the game more tactfully than our predecessors. We have to play like the first string, like we’re smart and know what we’re doing...not like a bench warmer coming in for the first time. We cannot forget that any truly valid threats levied by our management will come to pass regardless. If we are told we have to settle for a substandard contract or the company will close, the company is going to be closed anyway no matter what we do. The bottom line: if we remain unified no matter what happens, we will prevail. If we force our management to deal with us, they will deal with us. We must provide the incentive because they have none.

Obviously, I will provide a yes vote with relish. I realize our management is simply doing business the way they believe business should be done. This means we have to deal with them through the few means at our disposal. I refuse to be a party to any further erosion of our career. We truly don’t have much to lose. Someone observed to me recently how nice it was that so many of us are able to have a second job. I replied: “Yes, but the sad thing is that most of us with a second job couldn’t get by without it.”

 

[601Pilot]

I vote yes and about d@mn time!

 

[Sinca3]

Nicely put Redan!! This should be posted all through ops for people to read.
YES vote from me........

 

[Gorditas]

Redan,

Excellent post, I am in total agreement. What I don't understand are the people who are so worried about keeping what we currently have. They are like women who stay with their abusive husbands and keep going back for more beatings. I am tired of the beatings, and it is time to take action!

Count one more emphatic YES!

Hey Brian LePuke, get it together or get packing!

 

[rjcap]

Yes !!

 

[jehtplane]

Yes !!

Uh he11 yes.....

 

[RegionalERPuke]

Late 20's, Got hired with more than 300 hours, 1 wife, house payment, college debt, and I support my MEC.

Yes