Stealth Age 67 to 70

[Flopgut]

I really hope I do end up sounding crazy. Remember, it's not like a retirement age increase didn't happen in the middle of the night. Ok? Additionally, where are the voices of the guys who acted like five years would do the trick? Should there not be some social enforcement out there from pilots who wanted 65, now acknowledging that enough is enough? There is nobody doing that. It's like 65 didn't help at all.

 

[BrickTop]

Half the pilots over 60 look like the dirt bag of a 1957 Hoover Wide clean. Especially UAL. Those men let themselves self-destruct. I doubt their medical will last much past 65. And if it does a few will challenge that in a parking lot of fed up 30 something stagnated pilots looking to deliver a fist full of greed discipline. GET OUT.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I really hope I do end up sounding crazy.

Well, if you don't it's not from lack of trying!

It's like 65 didn't help at all.

65 wasn't supposed to help the "pilot shortage". It was supposed to bring some reality into the retirement age for pilots that hadn't changed in almost 50 years. Extend it further? Maybe in a few decades when we see how 65 works out, that will be reasonable. If you do it now, do it along with a wholesale overhaul of pilot medicals, including dropping the third-class and allowing VFR private pilots to self-certify.

 

[Bringupthebird]

if it gets pushed back again I will kick someone in the face.

I'm saving enough to retire at age 55 and can't wait. Goodbye. All you greedy, cranky old f----s can die in the left seat if it really is your goal.

So why does the retirement age affect you if you plan on leaving at an arbitrary age?

What responsibility is it of the current pilots to improve contracts so that a pilot can make enough to contribute to a retirement plan or make investments that will allow them to retire at 65 or earlier? The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

 

[Flopgut]

65 wasn't supposed to help the "pilot shortage". It was supposed to bring some reality into the retirement age for pilots that hadn't changed in almost 50 years.

Ah, but in reality it did much more than that didn't it? That was the "Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilot Act" Complete with overnight seniority grab and built in windfall for a bunch of old guys. "Fair treatment" for you is sufficient to change the Constitution. But of other's expectations for some sort of fairness? You've got this to say:

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

Interesting. You are a peice of work. And if that's not enough, you continue with:

So why does the retirement age affect you if you plan on leaving at an arbitrary age?

What responsibility is it of the current pilots to improve contracts so that a pilot can make enough to contribute to a retirement plan or make investments that will allow them to retire at 65 or earlier? The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

You question any responsibility you might have to another pilot with expectations, but you've got zero apprehension over expecting other pilots to accomodate your needs. Whatever they me be, and especially if they are a detriment to others.

I might be crazy, but at least I'm not weak.

 

[Bringupthebird]

My needs? I can retire prior to 65 whenever I choose.

Age 60 was defended on the basis of safety, which has been proven to be a farce. It was indefensible featherbedding, and the slight change to 65 brought it a little closer to the reality of the rest of the world.

And no, I don't think I owe the younger generation a thing, especially retaining something like Age 60. I don't support an elimination of the the retirement age unless is comes with a wholesale overhaul to the medical standards for pilots, which is a safety concern. The same advances in medicine that have made the average 65 year old just as medically fit as the 60 year old of days gone by, have also brought us additional medical screening for other potentially debilitating illnesses. Add those to the repetoire of the AME and you may see a few vacancies in the left seat, but quite likely just as many in the right.

Why not abandon your fruitless attacks on age and seniority and focus on right and wrong. You'll likely get more support and you won't appear nearly as weak.

 

[Flopgut]

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

30 something dude: "My career expectations are stagnated"! Answer: Waaa!

You: "I gotta work longer to survive"! Answer: Waaa!

They are basically the same complaint dude.

Oh wait, you said you could retire at any time... Right....

 

[f15boomer]

Flying from PHX to the east. There are a few westies that live in the east A..H....

 

[Furloughed80]

The CPO at sCAL sent out a blastmail that mentioned a strong push to change the mandatory retirement age to 67. Apparently, it was the regional carriers that were lobbying in DC because of staffing issues they will face when the majors start hiring (combined with the new increased minimums for hiring pilots). For now, there are no planned changes to the mandatory retirement age. I honestly thought increasing the retirement age again was just rumor and speculation. This was the first time I heard from 'an official source' that there are groups lobbying for age 67.