Spirit Roadshow and TA vote

[likeitis]

What a stupid response, but to be expected from your previous posts.

Most pilots at Spirit have already voted, imho, so why the continued debate?

Why, too simple for you? I thought people go on strike to actually use leverage to make real gains. I don't see any real gains until three years from now. Three years from now doesn't help FL, CAL or UAL pilots in getting a better contract now.

Why so defensive of such an awesome TA?

 

[lostplnetairman]

NO sh!t. You walk off the job to only bend over and accept mediocrity? Which means it was all in vain and instead of a group that was courageous in taking a stand you all will look like chumps. You say if you don't work for Spirit weigh out? YOU WALKED! you made the move to get what you deserve, not us.

What you do affects all of us. Period!

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT VOTE NO AND WALK.WE WILL STAND WITH YOU.


YOUR MEC ALREADY F*CKED UP BY RETURNING TO WORK BEFORE RATIFICATION

This rant makes no sense. You don't know what you are talking about!

 

[Joblu]

OK, in four years, while you're still throwing the gear, a Spirit Senior Capt.
will be making $26/hour more than a JB Capt.

Is that clear enough for you?

You are right, it might not be an honest comparison because:

A. You might not have your 5 year personal contract renewed

B. Your "Kool-Aid" compensation committee may lower your salary, or

C. You may be aquired by another airline and be "stapled" or out of work, as part-time or contract employee's may have no rights under the
"Bond-McCaskell" legislation.

Whats the matter? JB turn you down? Or are you just a simple idiot?

 

[lostplnetairman]

Why, too simple for you? I thought people go on strike to actually use leverage to make real gains. I don't see any real gains until three years from now. Three years from now doesn't help FL, CAL or UAL pilots in getting a better contract now.

Why so defensive of such an awesome TA?

Nope, not too simple for me. You just don't know the process.

Again, and again and again. Why are you harping on this when you have no voice in this? Most Spirit pilots have already voted. What's your need to voice to the empty forest?

 

[Jetpipeovht]

This rant makes no sense. You don't know what you are talking about!

Of course it makes no sense to you. Based on your numbers you must be a captain. You sold the FO's out.

 

[lostplnetairman]

Of course it makes no sense to you. Based on your numbers you must be a captain. You sold the FO's out.

See you have no clue! You are wrong.

And the NC was comprised of 2/3 FO's.

Idiot people weighing in...

 

[Caveman]

OK, in four years, while you're still throwing the gear, a Spirit Senior Capt.
will be making $26/hour more than a JB Capt.

Is that clear enough for you?

No, it's not clear because you don't have any idea what a JB CA will be making in four years. I don't either. You also don't know whether or not I'll 'still be throwing gear'. The cheap shot does nothing to further your point. It makes you look petty.

You are right, it might not be an honest comparison because:

A. You might not have your 5 year personal contract renewed

Wrong. Our 5 year contracts renew in perpetuity. It's not optional. They automatically renew every 5 years. There are no exceptions. I can be fired for cause at any time (just like you) but barring that my PEA will automatically renew.

B. Your "Kool-Aid" compensation committee may lower your salary, or

Wrong again. They can't unilaterally lower my salary without my consent. I have to agree in writing to any change in my PEA.

C. You may be aquired by another airline and be "stapled" or out of work, as part-time or contract employee's may have no rights under the
"Bond-McCaskell" legislation.

Once again you are mistaken. I'm neither part time nor a contract employee. Nobody knows for sure what Bond-McCaskell really means because it hasn't been tested, but lawyers way smarter than you or I have looked at our PEA's and are convinced we are no more at risk than any other airline pilot.

Look, I'm not the one comparing Spirit to JetBlue. You are. If in order to ease your conscience about voting for this TA you need to tell yourself it will make you better off than a JetBlue pilot, knock yourself out. It may or it may not, but the logic you are trying to use in this thread is flawed.

 

[Caveman]

Look Caveman, I'm not interested in you your opinion of the TA. I'm interested in learning about other contracts to compare and contrast, not to opine. And I was responding directly to johnsonrod who called me out, so I don't know why you are getting upset since you were not a part of my post.

Just for the record I haven't given my opinion of your TA (other than one tongue in cheek comment in my original post). I haven't read it, I don't get to vote on it, and I don't have to live with it so what I think is irrelevant.

You said, and I quote: "Talk to a Jetblue pilot (not one of the top 20%) and see what they earn, what they pay, what their schedules are and how many days they are away from home (unless they live near NYC). I have and it's not pretty compared to us."

I simply stated what my circumstances were at JetBlue. I took your quote above as an invitation to chime in. I'm not upset about anything, but I did comment to Kwick that his comparisons were not apples to apples. That did seem to upset him.

 

[lostplnetairman]

Just for the record I haven't given my opinion of your TA (other than one tongue in cheek comment in my original post). I haven't read it, I don't get to vote on it, and I don't have to live with it so what I think is irrelevant.

You said, and I quote: "Talk to a Jetblue pilot (not one of the top 20%) and see what they earn, what they pay, what their schedules are and how many days they are away from home (unless they live near NYC). I have and it's not pretty compared to us."

I simply stated what my circumstances were at JetBlue. I took your quote above as an invitation to chime in. I'm not upset about anything, but I did comment to Kwick that his comparisons were not apples to apples. That did seem to upset him.

I'm referring to post #62 in this thread--I wasn't talking to you but to the other who weigned in with no invite. You responded to something else. I appreciate your input on your contract details which was requested. We have gotten more from others too. Thanks to all.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

See you have no clue! You are wrong.

And the NC was comprised of 2/3 FO's.

Idiot people weighing in...

Idiot people?

You walked the line for garbage. It's your sh*t sandwich.

Enjoy!