Spirit QOL Questions

[Limeyflyer]

is that 1000 turbine PIC "As Captain" or just PIC???

 

[Philerup]

I wish the airlines would just cut the crap and post their freaking real life minimums. I am tired of this crap with the minimums not really being the minimums, but needing much more. Just post what you want so people like me can stop wasting our time filling out applications and sending resumes until we reach what is "really" required.

 

[Shrek]

is that 1000 turbine PIC "As Captain" or just PIC???

1000 PIC 121 or 135.

 

[Shrek]

I wish the airlines would just cut the crap and post their freaking real life minimums. I am tired of this crap with the minimums not really being the minimums, but needing much more. Just post what you want so people like me can stop wasting our time filling out applications and sending resumes until we reach what is "really" required.

- YEAh - sniff sniff.........LOL

 

[Limeyflyer]

Thanks Shrek

 

[Philerup]

Shrek, I am glad you are amused. I am not, I spent 55 dollars and a whole day filling out all the crap on airlineapps, specifically for Spirit. The reason is that I meet the stated minimums. If the CP is saying that 1000 PIC is required then they need to post that. I don´t need to waste my time or money focusing on places that are not going to look at my application.

 

[iflysky]

Shrek, I am glad you are amused. I am not, I spent 55 dollars and a whole day filling out all the crap on airlineapps, specifically for Spirit. The reason is that I meet the stated minimums. If the CP is saying that 1000 PIC is required then they need to post that. I don´t need to waste my time or money focusing on places that are not going to look at my application.

Do you really think that with thousands of overqualified pilots on the street (or at least in the US) that an A319/321 carrier will look at you without 1000TPIC. Dude, please. Unless you have some major connections GOOD LUCK to you........oh yeah let me know how it goes.

 

[enigma]

Shrek, I am glad you are amused. I am not, I spent 55 dollars and a whole day filling out all the crap on airlineapps, specifically for Spirit. The reason is that I meet the stated minimums. If the CP is saying that 1000 PIC is required then they need to post that. I don´t need to waste my time or money focusing on places that are not going to look at my application.

If you've got an internal recommendation, the posted minimums are sufficient. For what it's worth, I'll suggest that you learn a little more about the way the game is played; doing so might help you avoid frustration.

Airlines hire according to their needs. They decide what the want, we don't decide what they want. I happen to know a little about Spirit and I can tell you that your flight time is but a small part of what is reviewed.

I'll leave you with this, you may not get interviewed if you apply. And - you WILL NOT get interviewed if you don't apply. There are other -motivated pilots who will get hired.

Sincerely man, keep on plugging, keep your head on straight, don't let the system get you down. I'll try and find time later to let you in on some of the things you can do to increase your chances at Spirit.

sorry for the disjointed post. In years past, I'd never hit send. In today's world, I just don't have time for multiple re - writes.

 

[Philerup]

Look guys, I know how the game is played. I meet the mins, I just want a fair shake. I know that chances are I am not going to get hired at mins. I just want the mins to be realisticly stated. If they want 1000 TPIC, then they should post that on their jobs page. It would save me the money that I spent to apply. As for recommendations, not a one. I screwed up and went to a carrier without captain turnover. I stuck it out and upgraded and I am getting my TPIC, I just don´t know anyone except at the regionals. The only people to leave here are the FO's. I am just venting my frustrations a little, because after 3 years here I am finally meeting minimums, but not getting anywhere. It is looking like I am going to have to start over at a regional, and the thought of that disgusts me.

 

[gatorbird]

I wish the airlines would just cut the crap and post their freaking real life minimums. I am tired of this crap with the minimums not really being the minimums, but needing much more. Just post what you want so people like me can stop wasting our time filling out applications and sending resumes until we reach what is "really" required.

Taken off the Spirit Careers webpage:


Please note these are our minimum requirements; most applicants exceed these standards.

As was said before, minimums today may not be tomorrow. Why has this not been reflected? Maybe the interview-powers-that-be don't want to discourage someone that may not meet these qualifications but excel in other areas? Maybe this is the "flavor of the week" and may be dropped as soon as the supply of qualified applicants is diminished? Who knows...

BUT, as was said, you're darned sure not going to get an interview by not applying. I didn't meet them (nor did a few in my class) and I got in. Yes, I knew someone. Maybe you'll meet someone tomorrow that you befriend that happens to know the CP really well (happens often here)?

As for the "I've been with my crappy regional for THREE whole years and don't have a pot to piss in" stuff? Lose it, man. There are many more people who have done more of that time than you that are trying to better their career as well (Six years and two regionals for me). The last guy to get the job is the one who feels he is owed it.

just my two cents...

gator

 

[enigma]

Look guys, I know how the game is played. I meet the mins, I just want a fair shake. I know that chances are I am not going to get hired at mins. I just want the mins to be realisticly stated. If they want 1000 TPIC, then they should post that on their jobs page. It would save me the money that I spent to apply. As for recommendations, not a one. I screwed up and went to a carrier without captain turnover. I stuck it out and upgraded and I am getting my TPIC, I just don´t know anyone except at the regionals. The only people to leave here are the FO's. I am just venting my frustrations a little, because after 3 years here I am finally meeting minimums, but not getting anywhere. It is looking like I am going to have to start over at a regional, and the thought of that disgusts me.

OK, I had one coffee too many and can't sleep despite needing to awake in six hours. Let me tell you a way for you to decipher the code.

Mins with internal recommendations and desired experience (international and mountain time would be nice) and a FLL or DTW address and a good attitude = published mins

To derive true mins add a thousand hours of jet time for each area in which you don't meet the above.

Don't bother getting upset by published minimums, they are what they are and everyone in this business should understand that. Now go have a beer and think something positive. And, consider this - when I was hired at Spirit, NO ONE in my class has less than about 10 years in this business but me, and I'd been at it for 9 not counting the CFI days. It has never been easy and the game goes to the persistant, committed individual.

 

[Shrek]

Shrek, I am glad you are amused. I am not, I spent 55 dollars and a whole day filling out all the crap on airlineapps, specifically for Spirit. The reason is that I meet the stated minimums. If the CP is saying that 1000 PIC is required then they need to post that. I don´t need to waste my time or money focusing on places that are not going to look at my application.

Are you sure?! Airlineapps is FREE for the first airline. It is NOT for multiple airlines or you could get out of that by using multiple e-mail addresses.

For you to say you payed $55 bux for the subscription specifically for Spirit that is a complete lie.

If you had a different attitude then maybe things would change for you in the future......

BTW 1000 PIC is PREFERRED by the CP not REQUIRED.

 

[Philerup]

Multiple E-Mail addresses, brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. You are right, the first airline is free. I went there to apply for Spirit and decided to buy a membership so I could apply elsewhere while I was at it. So technically, you are correct I didn't pay just for Spirit. Calling me a liar may be a little over the top. It is real simple, I was responding to a post on page two where the CP was quoted as saying 1000TPIC is required. If you are going to use a pay service for applications, I think it is only fair to post your real minimums. I could be completely out to lunch though. As far as my attitude, sure man. If you have never gotten frustrated or felt like you had come to a standstill, congratulations. I really don't think my attitude is out of hand. It is simply, be real in your requirements. If you want 1000 TPIC, then make that your mins. I really don't see how that is wrong.

How's your time? You've got 5000+ listed, which is fine; how's the turbine PIC? As of recently, CP has said that 1000 turbine/PIC is a must...I don't know if that's officially in print anywhere

 

[Redhot99]

I hear classes are full for the next couple of months. Does anybody know if that is true or not. I just got my 2500 and have a few interal recs so I am just waiting to see when the next time they are going to interview agian. thanks

 

[Jiminmem]

All Airlines have minimums. People are hired with them, but the closer you are to them the more people your going to need to know. I've had my stuff in there since they started hiring, have over 4500 jet PIC and live in DTW. I still haven't heard from them. Unfornately that is the way things are. If you have something on file with them I'm sure it looks better to keep it there and update often. I'm sure that would count and who knows, you might be the one they call. If you offer something that they value, I'm sure they will call without a 1000 turbine PIC. There are thousands of applicants out there though, so they can be picky.

You can't get hired without applying.