Spirit Pilot Contract Negotiantions end: Strike loms

[Redmeat]

For as long as my short memory remembers..every contract that has been signed after 9/11 (or maybe even before then) has somehow screwed the pilots in one way or another....

My son who is succsesfull in business outside of aviation pointed somthing out to me once when we were discussing airline industry strife. "Pilots as a rule will not quit flying. Upper level manangers are trained in labor tactics. They know this. Pilot's have no leverage." .

It's hard to get good contracts when management knows you aren't willing to do anything else and aren't going anywhere.

 

[pilotyip]

Nice touch of reality

My son who is succsesfull in business outside of aviation pointed somthing out to me once when we were discussing airline industry strife. "Pilots as a rule will not quit flying. Upper level manangers are trained in labor tactics. They know this. Pilot's have no leverage." .

It's hard to get good contracts when management knows you aren't willing to do anything else and aren't going anywhere.

One of those posts that does not fit the misplaced reality of many pilots. Aircorbra has done some nice post of reality in aonther thread. However if I post reality it is labeled as anti-union. This comes from being a former union member and seeing their limitations in affecting things against economic reality. BTW It's hard to get good contracts when management knows you aren't willing to do anything else and aren't going anywhere. Nor for most later in life capable of doing anything else

 

[Colonel Savage]

When does the 30 day cooling off period start?

 

[boomlrd]

Hopefully soon!

 

[600rvr]

More like when the RLA gets repealed :angryfire what a crock of a process this is. They have blatantly abused the contract and will have ZERO accountability for it when this is all over. I'm so tired of doing everything legally when they don't have to even consider following the law... they can't arrest 500 of us if we "illegally" walk off the job without a warning... so what are we waiting for?? :bomb:

 

[Mike man]

...they can't arrest 500 of us if we "illegally" walk off the job without a warning...

From February 1999...Over the last two days, hundreds of American Airline pilots ended their sick-out and were back on the job, this after a federal judge found their union in contempt, and threatened it with a $10 million fine.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june99/american_2-15.html

They might not arrest 500 pilots, but they could fine the union or the individuals involved.

But you are preaching to the choir, the RLA protects management from labor, and not even in a 50/50 balance...management does what ever they want and we are left with the repercussions until we win an arbitration (4 days off).

 

[enigma]

From February 1999...Over the last two days, hundreds of American Airline pilots ended their sick-out and were back on the job, this after a federal judge found their union in contempt, and threatened it with a $10 million fine.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june99/american_2-15.html

They might not arrest 500 pilots, but they could fine the union or the individuals involved.

But you are preaching to the choir, the RLA protects management from labor, and not even in a 50/50 balance...management does what ever they want and we are left with the repercussions until we win an arbitration (4 days off).

The RLA protects the American transportation system and therefore the American economy. The Federal Court system screws us by siding with management. Bankruptcy Courts really screw us. ALPA screws us because National is scared of being held liable for our actions. All we can do is stand together and hope our leadership is able to find a way to lead us out of the wilderness.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

More like when the RLA gets repealed :angryfire what a crock of a process this is. They have blatantly abused the contract and will have ZERO accountability for it when this is all over. I'm so tired of doing everything legally when they don't have to even consider following the law... they can't arrest 500 of us if we "illegally" walk off the job without a warning... so what are we waiting for?? :bomb:

Why don't you get your 500 pilots to give your MEC chairman your termination notice. Actually 250 will shut down the airline. Let him negotiate with that stack of paper

 

[Mike man]

...the American economy...

Which part, the Chinese part or the part the Goldman Sachs owns?

So a piece of legislation from the 1930's (with roots back to the 1910's) to help railroads is some how relevant today?

The Federal Court system screws us by siding with management. Bankruptcy Courts really screw us. ALPA screws us because National is scared of being held liable for our actions. All we can do is stand together and hope our leadership is able to find a way to lead us out of the wilderness.

All true.

The way out is to amend the RLA to reflect the world we live in (i.e. corporate greed, corporate mismanagement, workers loosing jobs and pay while executives get larger and larger salaries and bonuses). Or better yet introduce new legislation to reflect the various modes of transportation (that help what is left of the US economy) rail and airline (and the longshoremen should be thrown in there too) make it a balanced system add a railroad type retirement system to the airline industry. Make it prohibitively expensive to prolong negotiations, at the end of a contract everyone immediately gets a 100% raise and 50% each month after the end of a transportation contract. It may look like a victory for, lets say the Spirit pilots to get a 40% raise, but after almost four years of negotiating it is really more like a 10% raise and with a cost of living increase is really closer to a 6-7% raise.

 

[enigma]

Why don't you get your 500 pilots to give your MEC chairman your termination notice. Actually 250 will shut down the airline. Let him negotiate with that stack of paper

First, the leadership hasn't asked. Second, everybody wants somebody else to take the bullet.

 

[jetalc]

Back in 2000 ME was a nice little niche airline, pilots were paid below industry stds for their equipment. But they had a job at a place most seemed to like to work, Along comes ALPA and gets them industry std wages which increased the burden on the bottom line. This required management break its niche in order to generate more revenue, there airline started becoming more like other airlines they had to now start to complete on price not service, bye, bye niche. Then came the pay cut in an attempt to save the airline, then came the end. Now other thing contributed to this one being internet access to ticket pricing, other airlines grabbing market share out of the MKE hub. I think that is what I meant. Which firs the chicken or the egg?

Sorry, Dude - very hard to read. Not trying to be the grammar police, but MAN!

 

[pilotyip]

Sorry, Dude - very hard to read. Not trying to be the grammar police, but MAN!

soory a little ATIS shorthand?

 

[jetalc]

soory a little ATIS shorthand?

LOL - no worries...just had to comment.

 

[B190Captain]

Best of luck to Spirit pilots.

 

[Propsync]

I only know what I read ATW.

Wow. In 8000+ posts you couldn't find the time to ask hundreds here who would gladly regale you in the shortcomings of the Midwest business model. Instead, you play it off and attack likeitis. It sounds like someone was a few credits short in the humanities and business areas.