Spineless children of questionable herit

[TonyC]

Spineless children of questionable heritage
EDITED: Didn't realize complete title wouldn't fit


Apparently the thread was deleted where Deiterly attempted to cast aspersions on Republican leaders by questioning their patriotism, vis a vis, their military service. Even though the response was an overwqhelming backlash, I doubt he would have been so spineless himself to delete the thread just a few minutes ago, so I must assume that a Moderator removed it based on the offensive word in the title.

So, you ask, why do I bother to bring this up? Well, it's because I failed to bookmark a page that was referenced by a responder to the thread, something along the lines of "Franken Lies." I had read through about a third of them, and wanted to go back and finish up.

If you posted the link, or know of it - - would you please REPOST it here? Thanks !

 

[Dragonbravo]

I think the link you are refering to was
www.frankenlies.com

 

[ShawnC]

And the other liberial idiot

http://www.mooreexposed.com

I believe the site he linked to was the bushawol.com site.

 

[B1900DFO]

If we are interested in the actual facts on military service here they are. A list of prominent republicans and democrats as well as their service to our country....John McCain seems to be the only republican with any meaningful service.


http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html


I find it interesting that so many hard line right-wingers on this board respond with emotional outbursts or phrases such as "liberal idiots" etc, instead of posting any factual information or convincing arguments.

 

[TonyC]

If we are interested in the actual facts on military service here they are. A list of prominent republicans and democrats as well as their service to our country....John McCain seems to be the only republican with any meaningful service.


http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html


I find it interesting that so many hard line right-wingers on this board respond with emotional outbursts or phrases such as "liberal idiots" etc, instead of posting any factual information or convincing arguments.

I find it equally interesting that the "Objective" website you link characterizes a WWII veteran as AWOL because of an interview with a Hollywood movie maker.

I find it even MORE interesting - - no - - ABSURD - - that service in the Guard and Reserves is considered by some like you to be UN-MEANINGFUL. Ask the Guardsmen and Reservists around the world today if they feel like their service is MEANINGLESS. Obviously, you have never served at all.

Looks like your test of "facts" is about as reliable as Franken's.

OH, by the way. Thanks for the link, Dragon!

 

[BornAgainPagan]

www.frankenlies.com

heh heh, I was wondering how long it would take for some republican spinmeister/s to come up with something like this. Looks like some folks were stung........truth hurts. Anyway, check out the links to all of those "unbiased" organizations.

Way to go Al!

 

[B1900DFO]

Tony

You crack me up. When did I say that service in the Guard or the Reserve was meaningless. I think they are priceless to our country. You are so typical of right wingers in that confronted with facts you resort to personal attacks. When I stated that McCain seemed to be the only prominent republican listed with meaningful service I was referencing the fact that nearly every republican was in the "Did not serve" category and George W, while having served in the Guard, decided to ditch his last two years of service. Now I don't find that to be very honorable, do YOU???


I do apologize for missing a couple republican leaders that had some military service (Rumsfield was one) but the thing I find interesting is the overwhelming lack of military service by some of our top republican leaders in comparison to top Democrats. Even more unbelievable is the fact that they are so quick to portray Democracts as unsupportive of the military.

 

[bart]

I spent a year and a half in Central America as a "reservist".

I guess the problem I have with this whole thread is the idea that if a politician served, then they are better qualified on military issues.

This is clearly not the case. I have no time for any politician that does not support going after terrorists, the states that sponsor them or have sponsored them or will sponsor them. The fact that Bush will do exactly that gets him my vote. The fact that all the democrats will lay down and toady up[ to the allies of this countries attackers means they will not get my vote, plain and simple.

The dems may have served at one time and that is great, thank you for your service. My question is why has military spending declined in every dem administration since LBJ? Why were attacks against national interests allowed to go with no serious response?

Maybe there is philosophical disagreement over how to deal with violence. I believe you meet it with such resounding force and violence that is almost outside all believability that leaves the attacker wondering what they were thinking messing with you in the first place. I think you will find alot of Al Qaeda leaders in that category at Gitmo these days.

 

[tlax25]

The whole right v. left debate is absurd

Why is that when policies of the right are attacked by the left, the right resorts to name calling, and vice versa. Can anybody tell me the last time a politician from either side that was completely truthful to the American public? Can anybody tell me what President in the last 70 years has reduced federal spending and given more authority to state and local governments, as opposed to having taken it away? Frankly I think the problem is not the individual person that will take office or stays in office, but the fact that the Federal government is so **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** big that one person has little or no chance of stopping the inertia that has been built of spending and getting bigger and bigger. I think I would rather try and find a way to make meaningful changes to the government (and I frankly have no ideas) than worry about the one idividual in the Oval Office for any four year term. Just my 2 cents.

 

[JayDub]

Spineless children of questionable heritage
EDITED: Didn't realize complete title wouldn't fit


Apparently the thread was deleted where Deiterly attempted to cast aspersions on Republican leaders by questioning their patriotism, vis a vis, their military service. Even though the response was an overwqhelming backlash, I doubt he would have been so spineless himself to delete the thread just a few minutes ago, so I must assume that a Moderator removed it based on the offensive word in the title.

Some months ago, our dear Deiterly make a post that was down-right racist. I made a response basically calling him classless. A few hours later, both his and my response went into internet oblivion but the rest of the thread remained. Supposedly, only a moderator can do that, unless his had been first, then the whole thread could be erased by him. Funny someone can have this much influence, but not contribute a dime according to the latest Fundraiser Stats.

Respectfully,

JayDub

 

[Dieterly]

What happend to my "Guns don't kill" thread? Assume it took the same turn as the "spineless bastards" one.

When you guys stop deleting, I start donating, simle as that.

 

[Dragonbravo]

tlax,

You are absolutely correct. One of the factors that drove us to revolution and independence in the first place was a 3% tax on tea. Now how much do each of you pay in local, state and federal taxes? And hiding behind "taxing the rich" doesn't work. It may sound good, but its amazing what some politicians consider "rich". I've even heard of a tax on towing. Why? Pay for the roads? I thought that's what gas taxes were for. So where does the money go? Same with cigarette taxes. That was sold as a way to pay for health care. So where is it? It was claimed (at least in my state) that the lottery would pay for the schools. Again, why are there budget problems in education? As taxpayers, we all need to hold government more accountable.

As for suggestions tlax, I don't know either. I think term limits would be a good start. 2 four year terms for a representative, 1 six year term for a senator, 1 six year term for prez. But a lot needs done.

 

[350DRIVER]

BornAgain,

I love the avatar man- Just bought some great wine from there !

c h e e r s

3 5 0

 

[Snakum]

I spent a year and a half in Central America as a "reservist".

19th?

Minh

 

[bart]

11th, pulled as an individual, they were critical short on 18As.

 

[Snakum]

Ahhh ... officer. Didn't know.

Minh

 

[bart]

Yeah, was an 11b and 18b in a former life, decided to get declared a gentleman.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Here's one for ya-

In the news today, it was reported that Al Franken physically tackled a heckler at a political event.

Franken is a POS. Period. There are liberals who I respect, even though i disagree with them 100%.

Franken is no one of them. His credibility is zero. Anyone who defends him or uses him as some sort of positive example is a fool.

 

[IDpilot]

awolbush.com is a brilliant website! So typical of the left. My grandfather was a county comissioner with conservitive views and did not serve in the military. Where was his name on the list? That has to be one of the most worthless websites I've seen besides mulletsgalor.com. B1900DFO I'm sure your nice and patriotic and enjoy burning the American flag from time to time, but unless you have served, shut the hell up. George Bush was a pilot in the Guard and considered a draft dodger? So the rest of the pilots out there in the guard and reserves you are less of a person because you are not full time military all the time? It seems most leftys think so.

Vote For Sharpton 2004

 

[Astra Guy]

Only those who have been amongst "the blood, the guts and the beer" need respond. All others who sit idly basking in the priveledges that those who have sacrificed before you, can sit and learn.

It is not about me, me, me...it is all about them, them, them! You know, those folks that have been and are still in harms way to make your life comfortable and secure.

"For those who have never fought for it the price of peace will never be known."

For the rest of us...take pride in what you have accomplished, active, reserve or guard...it is worth it, regardless of what the couch potatoes think...they know not of what they speak. Forgive them!

 

[Chas]

Dieterly you cheap @#$@#%

I cannot believe you said "When you guys stop deleting, I start donating, simle as that." How cheap can you be .

 

[Chas]

My repost

Bill Clinton not only avoided the draft but he protested in Russia against the war . How pathetic you guys are to talk about any republican who did not serve!

 

[Capt. Tex]

What are you guys talking about?? Bush did serve his country with dignity.


Here's his squadron's seal to the left.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Bush did serve his country with dignity.

My favorite defense of Bush's "service" came from a guy who reminded us that the jets Bush was flying--were they F-102's or 106's?--were pretty dangerous...further proving W's unparalleled bravery.

I'm sure that impresses the hell out of those guys in the Hanoi Hilton. W pretty much made them look like a bunch of pansies.

 

[sky37d]

I spent a year and a half in Central America as a "reservist".

I guess the problem I have with this whole thread is the idea that if a politician served, then they are better qualified on military issues.

This is clearly not the case. I have no time for any politician that does not support going after terrorists, the states that sponsor them or have sponsored them or will sponsor them. The fact that Bush will do exactly that gets him my vote. The fact that all the democrats will lay down and toady up[ to the allies of this countries attackers means they will not get my vote, plain and simple.

The dems may have served at one time and that is great, thank you for your service. My question is why has military spending declined in every dem administration since LBJ? Why were attacks against national interests allowed to go with no serious response?

Maybe there is philosophical disagreement over how to deal with violence. I believe you meet it with such resounding force and violence that is almost outside all believability that leaves the attacker wondering what they were thinking messing with you in the first place. I think you will find alot of Al Qaeda leaders in that category at Gitmo these days.

Hey, I recognize that insignia. I was in the 6th.
Agree completely with you, the only way to stop terrorism is OVERWHELMING force. The kind that leaves them wondering Why did I try to do that. Unfortunately, we are trying to be "civilized" with people who have no interest in that, and would not extend civility to anyone. Even those who are followers. Send them off to die.

 

[sky37d]

Only those who have been amongst "the blood, the guts and the beer" need respond. All others who sit idly basking in the priveledges that those who have sacrificed before you, can sit and learn.

It is not about me, me, me...it is all about them, them, them! You know, those folks that have been and are still in harms way to make your life comfortable and secure.

"For those who have never fought for it the price of peace will never be known."

For the rest of us...take pride in what you have accomplished, active, reserve or guard...it is worth it, regardless of what the couch potatoes think...they know not of what they speak. Forgive them!

I agree. For me, it was a long time ago, but I can still remember the d1ck heads who were protesting a war, when people were dying there, every day. I had friends who stopped seeing a sunset, their wives, children, or be returned home, a long time ago.

If you think WINNING can be done through negotiation, go talk to Neville Chamberlin.

If you think calling people names, who SERVE this country, who help DEFEND this country is a good thing to do, go try it in IRAN, and please, get the heck out.