Speed in terminal area

[GravityHater]

Barring assigned speeds and STAR'd speeds, what is kosher for corp jets in class C areas? Downhill below 10k we keep it 250-200. Then within 15 miles, get down to apprch flap speed, then on final vector down to gear speed.
Sound OK? What is being taught?

How about Vref, some like vref + 10 from loc intercept to over the fence, others will be gradually reducing from +50 to +10 over the fence.

 

[satpak77]

my own habit

in B-350 King Air is 160 knots in pattern, and book v-ref at 50 feet and trying to touch down on 1000 foot marks.

stabilized, all checklists done except for full flaps by outer marker.

Below 10,000 and within 50 miles of destination, I am usually 200 knots max and more typical about 170

I also have destination tower or CTAF tuned from the descent until the local area so I can monitor local traffic and "get a picture" of whats going on. Workload allowing of course

just dont want to run over cessnas, etc out there. No need to be 250 knots (not for me)

 

[DrewBlows]

Keep below 250 below 10,000 and 200 within 4 miles and 2500 feet of the class C and you are cool. If there is a slow airplane in front of you slow down (or plan on going around). If there is a fast airplane behind you go fast (I wouldn't go so fast you go off the runway though, it's a long walk to the FBO).

 

[atrdriver]

In the ATR-72 I usually ran 250 until 6 miles, then hit the brakes to configure. Usually took about 3 miles to get slowed to flap speeds. 150 final to cross the fence at 120. Slowing 50 miles out would probably kill me.

 

[Thedude]

Speed limit in the airport traffic area is 230 kts...thats 5 sm out

 

[91100 100 set]

as fast as you can until they tell you to slow down.

 

[O-Line]

Speed limit in the airport traffic area is 230 kts...thats 5 sm out

Can you reference a specific FAR for that? 91.117 doesn't seem to mention that.

 

[GravityHater]

Thanks for the helpful comments, I was half-expecting and a$$-chewing on this one! (I don't mind goofy comments though)

More on vref; We are supposed to be stabilized from where? FAF and in?
Is it "stabilized" if you start at the FAF vref+40 and gradually reduce to vref over the numbers? Or do you take stabilized as "no change whatsoever in speed"?

 

[gern_blanston]

Keep below ...200 within 4 miles and 2500 feet of the class C and you are cool.

Huh?

Speed limit in the airport traffic area is 230 knots...thats 5 sm out

Huh?

Sounds like the profile you're flying is just fine, GH.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Does anyone else think that the 200 knots below class "B" airspace thing is a joke?

Now granted, this is my first foray into the world of corporate aviation, small airports in the middle of nowhere et al'. And yes, I should have known that regulation. But what amazes me is that over 10 years and 7 airlines i've NEVER slowed to 200 beneath class B. Never even HEARD of it until I started this job.

Sure, it was pretty rare that in the airlines we WENT below class B, but there were a few exceptions. White Plains sticks out in my head. I'm sure there were others.

What about in Atlanta where the class B goes up to 11 (or is it 12,000?) I've never seen anyone slow to 250 until they descended below 10 in that area.

So what i'm realizing is that: #1. I've been doing it wrong for a LOOONG time -- in fact, almost 100% of the pilots at the airlines i've worked for the over the last 10 years were doing it wrong.

and #2. It's REALLY frustrating to have to pull out a class "B" chart and figure out when to slow to 200.

So... since there's not Jetson's style traffic cop out there handing out tickets... Is this really a big deal?

Guess i'm just being a whiner. But maybe I should feel fortunate that I never got violated for it in the past.

 

[Headwind]

The Class B in Atlanta goes up to 12,000, but the 200 speed limit is only when below Class B. I agree with you. If you stop flying to look at a chart to see if you are in or under the Class B you may go in or under it again and again. I ask the controller what speed he would like. On the west side they want you out of their area ASAP.

HEADWIND

 

[gern_blanston]

What about in Atlanta where the class B goes up to 11 (or is it 12,000?) I've never seen anyone slow to 250 until they descended below 10 in that area.

OK, I think I may be about to learn something. Is there a 250 knot limit in Class B airspace above 10,000? Denver's goes up to 12,000 too, I believe.

 

[Brett Hull]

Does anyone else think that the 200 knots below class "B" airspace thing is a joke?

Yes! But then I also think 250 below 10K when you're IFR and in radar contact stinks too.

I was just having this conversation with my boss last week on the way from TCL to PDK. We got stuck about 50 west of PDK at 5000, and then once we hit the class B we were stuck under it at 200 knots all the way across.

I'm as laid-back of a person as they come, but going into the Atlanta area from the west just burns my @$$.

 

[groundpointsix]

OK, I think I may be about to learn something. Is there a 250 knot limit in Class B airspace above 10,000? Denver's goes up to 12,000 too, I believe.

No speed restrictions in Class B except for the 250 below 10k rule. The majority of class B ends at or below 10,000 and this is what causes the confusion for people. See 91.117.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

91.117. Thanks for that. That will be helpful!

As far as whipping out the ol' TCA chart to figure out when to slow to 200 beneath Class B. Well. Bah-Humbug!

I think they should change it. If you're on an IFR flight plan in radar contact, make it 250 knots.

Of course, the Fed's havent asked me for my opinion lately.