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Southwest Airlines plans new fees to aid revenue in 2013 - Southwest Airlines, known for its popular "pay for your own type rating" policy, said it will implement new retro fees next year as part of a plan to increase revenue by $5 million.

The company told investors on Friday that it will impose a retroactive fee on the 737 type ratings of its Airtran pilot group, increase fees for flights on AirTran, the carrier it bought last year. The company also said it would implement a no-pay fee for those Airtran pilots that are reluctant to pay for their own 737 type rating.

"This should add ancillary revenue and promote pilot behavior that allows us to be the successful airline we are," Southwest Chief Commercial Officer Bob Jordan said of the retroactive type rating fee during the investor meeting, which was webcast.

Southwest, which has a "pay for your own type rating" policy under which every pilot had to buy their 737 type prior to employment start date, said the fee changes were expected to contribute about $5 million to revenue next year.

"We figured a going rate of $7,500 for a 737 type rating, using Higher Power as the standard," said the SWA official. "Most of our legacy Southwest pilots used Higher Power and paid $7,500 out of pocket, so we think it's only fair the Airtran pilots put in their share for the 737 type rating which they previously earned for free under Airtran."

"We don't consider the Airtran pilots to be on the same level field as we are," said a SWAPA union leader. "That's why a B-scale exists and these Airtran pilots will work for separate lower wages until they all pay for what rightfully belongs to our company: the 737 type rating fees."

He continued, "We wanted the Airtran pilots to all be on probation for one year, but sometimes you don't get all that you ask." He concluded by stating that he believes forcing Airtran pilots to pay for their type ratings is fair, and reflects the long standing Southwest policy.

When questioned why, considering that SWA is one of the most profitable airlines in the United States, does it continue to insist and demand that pilots pay for their own type ratings, the SWAPA union leader responded, "I'm sorry, I have to run to gate 25 for my flight to Amarillo."

No further comment was received.

Of the $1.1 billion in revenue gains it expects next year, $4.5 million would come from the new retro pay for type rating fee and other moves related to improving operations, the Dallas-based carrier said.

The traditional discount leader, Southwest is now finding it must work harder to stay profitable in the face of labor and fuel cost pressures and rising competition.

Southwest has stressed a need to cut expenses to compete better with rivals that have restructured. Last year's Chapter 11 filing by AMR Corp's American Airlines leaves Southwest as the only major U.S. carrier that has not reorganized in bankruptcy.

Southwest's cost advantage compared with rivals "is not as great as it was in the year 2000 but is still very significant," Chief Executive Gary Kelly said."This is critical for our past success and of course critical for our future, to maintain our cost advantage," Kelly said.

Shares of Southwest were up 1.8 percent to $10.32 in Friday trading.
 
Awesome.......spool up the idiots time!!!!
 
Flyer 1015 where's the link men!! because post like this without facts just proof that you're an idiot!! I'm/we not saying that you are one (yet) but its coming!!


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Southwest Airlines plans new fees to aid revenue in 2013 - Southwest Airlines, known for its popular "pay for your own type rating" policy, said it will implement new retro fees next year as part of a plan to increase revenue by $5 million.

The company told investors on Friday that it will impose a retroactive fee on the 737 type ratings of its Airtran pilot group, increase fees for flights on AirTran, the carrier it bought last year. The company also said it would implement a no-pay fee for those Airtran pilots that are reluctant to pay for their own 737 type rating.

"This should add ancillary revenue and promote pilot behavior that allows us to be the successful airline we are," Southwest Chief Commercial Officer Bob Jordan said of the retroactive type rating fee during the investor meeting, which was webcast.

Southwest, which has a "pay for your own type rating" policy under which every pilot had to buy their 737 type prior to employment start date, said the fee changes were expected to contribute about $5 million to revenue next year.

"We figured a going rate of $7,500 for a 737 type rating, using Higher Power as the standard," said the SWA official. "Most of our legacy Southwest pilots used Higher Power and paid $7,500 out of pocket, so we think it's only fair the Airtran pilots put in their share for the 737 type rating which they previously earned for free under Airtran."

"We don't consider the Airtran pilots to be on the same level field as we are," said a SWAPA union leader. "That's why a B-scale exists and these Airtran pilots will work for separate lower wages until they all pay for what rightfully belongs to our company: the 737 type rating fees."

He continued, "We wanted the Airtran pilots to all be on probation for one year, but sometimes you don't get all that you ask." He concluded by stating that he believes forcing Airtran pilots to pay for their type ratings is fair, and reflects the long standing Southwest policy.

When questioned why, considering that SWA is one of the most profitable airlines in the United States, does it continue to insist and demand that pilots pay for their own type ratings, the SWAPA union leader responded, "I'm sorry, I have to run to gate 25 for my flight to Amarillo."

No further comment was received.

Of the $1.1 billion in revenue gains it expects next year, $4.5 million would come from the new retro pay for type rating fee and other moves related to improving operations, the Dallas-based carrier said.

The traditional discount leader, Southwest is now finding it must work harder to stay profitable in the face of labor and fuel cost pressures and rising competition.

Southwest has stressed a need to cut expenses to compete better with rivals that have restructured. Last year's Chapter 11 filing by AMR Corp's American Airlines leaves Southwest as the only major U.S. carrier that has not reorganized in bankruptcy.

Southwest's cost advantage compared with rivals "is not as great as it was in the year 2000 but is still very significant," Chief Executive Gary Kelly said."This is critical for our past success and of course critical for our future, to maintain our cost advantage," Kelly said.

Shares of Southwest were up 1.8 percent to $10.32 in Friday trading.

All I gotta say is WOW.........;). And I just read the part about running to gate 25 for Amarillo. Funny stuff, although I never told anyone to write that! Funny though...... Yikes!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Hahaha!!!


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Flyer1015, stop throwing stones at glass houses! We have enough of our own problems at VX. To pull this kind of BS with SWA is juvenile at best. As ESPN Football analysts would say..... C'MON MAN!!! ;)
 
No one has a sense of humor? Obviously it went straight over the head. Someone actually asking for a link as if this was real?
 
No one has a sense of humor? Obviously it went straight over the head. Someone actually asking for a link as if this was real?

Wait a minute. Let me make sure I get this right..

You think that AAI pilots got completely hosed and deserve better from the SLI. Yet,

You decide to joke about MORE pain coming their way? Amazing, absolutely amazing.

Stay classy Flyer!
 
Wait a minute. Let me make sure I get this right..

You think that AAI pilots got completely hosed and deserve better from the SLI. Yet,

You decide to joke about MORE pain coming their way? Amazing, absolutely amazing.

Stay classy Flyer!

Get a sense of humor and then trying reading it again.
 
it's funny if I consider more often than not, the SW captains i see are short, fat,greasy haired with big bellies hangin over their belts...and his tie is way too short, never aligned with his belt..they must be real senior..cause the newer pilots are all slim, have bulgin biceps and really svelte.these must be all the military guys....Run Clarence, Run!!
 
So is it true or just a wind-up
 
It's funny,,, until it's not.

Amusingly enough, this was one of the things during negotiations that we got a verbal promise on with a desk letter to follow. To-date, it's the ONLY desk letter than hasn't been drafted and sent to us of those verbal promises.

That said, not a single guy has had to pay for his training over there, whether they had to get the dreaded "SIC ONLY" type or not. It will be interesting to see what happens when the first OFNSRAT (Official F*cking No Sh*t Real AirTran) pilot (Offensive RAT) off the 717 holds a 737 CA bid after 1/1/15 and doesn't have the type.

SWA doesn't have an APD program with type authorization and nothing in the CBA requires the pilot to go get a type rating. If such a clause were put in, SWAPA would be risking a DFR suit so I don't see that changing.

Other than poking fun at the AAI pilots getting hosed repeatedly, I found it amusing myself. Especially the running to the next gate thing... :) If you can't laugh at yourself, you really need to look into a de-stressing hobby.
 
It's funny,,, until it's not.

Amusingly enough, this was one of the things during negotiations that we got a verbal promise on with a desk letter to follow. To-date, it's the ONLY desk letter than hasn't been drafted and sent to us of those verbal promises.

That said, not a single guy has had to pay for his training over there, whether they had to get the dreaded "SIC ONLY" type or not. It will be interesting to see what happens when the first OFNSRAT (Official F*cking No Sh*t Real AirTran) pilot (Offensive RAT) off the 717 holds a 737 CA bid after 1/1/15 and doesn't have the type.

SWA doesn't have an APD program with type authorization and nothing in the CBA requires the pilot to go get a type rating. If such a clause were put in, SWAPA would be risking a DFR suit so I don't see that changing.

Other than poking fun at the AAI pilots getting hosed repeatedly, I found it amusing myself. Especially the running to the next gate thing... :) If you can't laugh at yourself, you really need to look into a de-stressing hobby.

Once again you do not have clue of what you are talking about.

I wonder how many actually believe the stuff you put out.


So lear, Did SWA make the Morris pilots pay for there type rating?
 
Once again you do not have clue of what you are talking about.
So tell me about your FULL APD authority at SWA to give INITIAL type ratings on the 737. I was told there was no such program, but tell us about it.

And while you're at it, since you BOLD typed the bit about it being required in the CBA that a pilot pay for their type, where is that?

So lear, Did SWA make the Morris pilots pay for there type rating?
Their.

And No, as far as I know, but did SWA require the type from new-hire applicants back then? Have no clue, I wasn't paying that much attention to SWA at the time.
 
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So tell me about your FULL APD authority at SWA to give INITIAL type ratings on the 737. I was told there was no such program, but tell us about it.

And while you're at it, since you BOLD typed the bit about it being required in the CBA that a pilot pay for their type, where is that?


Their.

And No, as far as I know, but did SWA require the type from everyone back then? Have no clue, I wasn't applying there at the time, my apps were in with UAL, DAL, and CAL.

I hope you still have an app in with DAL. You may upgrade faster that way. Paywise it might be a hit for a year or two, but then all is good. Get in at the beginning of the wave, and life could be really good for you. But, you might have to wear a double breasted jacket and a hat.....I hope you and PCL try for it.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I hope you still have an app in with DAL. You may upgrade faster that way. Paywise it might be a hit for a year or two, but then all is good. Get in at the beginning of the wave, and life could be really good for you. But, you might have to wear a double breasted jacket and a hat.....I hope you and PCL try for it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

No one at DAL HAS to wear the hat. I often see quite a few guys/gals walking thru the terminal with the hats on the rollaboards. It's obviously optional.
 
So tell me about your FULL APD authority at SWA to give INITIAL type ratings on the 737. I was told there was no such program, but tell us about it.

And while you're at it, since you BOLD typed the bit about it being required in the CBA that a pilot pay for their type, where is that?


Their.

And No, as far as I know, but did SWA require the type from new-hire applicants back then? Have no clue, I wasn't paying that much attention to SWA at the time.


First

Thanks for correcting my there use

Second Why did you edit the part where you said you did not have an app in at SWA just UAL, CAL and DAL. ( Looks like you are trying to hide something by removing that part? I noticed GL caught it. )


Third yes the type was required back then.
 

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