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[Ty Webb]

Interview, get hired at SWA...and do your time that's earning it...working at a lower tier carrier and getting bought and integrated...not so much...enjoy your new/greatly improved future thanks to the airline you love to hate...

I don't hate it at all, Wacky-Jack. I like it fine. I'm getting my first choice pretty much every month. I'm flying Tue-Thur and enjoying it.

You're the one that seems to be a constipated, yoke-clenching HUD-Cripple Kernal.

Maybe you should downgrade and take it easy for a while.

:laugh:

 

[madjack]

Your so cool...I bet every CP you fly with is impressed

 

[Ty Webb]

Your so cool...I bet every CP you fly with is impressed

. . . . said the highest avoidance bid CP of the base.

 

[madjack]

Yeah...I've heard the tales from your former FOs...not exactly smoking the program...thankfully it's dumbed down just for guys like you...

 

[madjack]

Ok, that was low, but I was just taking a page out of your forum playbook...unfounded character assassination...you probably are a solid airline pilot...

 

[Kharma Police]

KP...another FAT whiner...welcome to a real airline and your welcome for the raises...I earned my upgrade at SWA...unlike you or Ty have/will...but just keep spinning your BS about how great the tran was and how hard you have to work at SWA...

Yikes, simmer down sky king. You're wound up a little tight, you should loosen the black tie around your neck and stop sitting on the SWAPA bling pin, it goes on the tie......

 

[zippy32]

Now I remember why I almost never come back to visit this board. You guys are miserable. Instead of fighting each other like children, you be directing your energy towards Mr Kelly. He's the one to blame. He's the one that doesn't want to pay you what you are worth.

 

[madjack]

Thanks Dad

 

[outerlimits]

You earned it, and we didn't, huh?

That's a laugh. I earned my fourth stripe when you were still learning the door code and how to call for pushback, sister.

Dude

Why are you so stuck on how great you are because you are a captain ?

We have pilots just like you ,they don't want to move on because they feel they are the ALL GREAT ONE ,being a captain .

I also have friends flying corporate that feel this why.

No one on this forum brags about being a captain as much as you do .


Get over yourself . You must be a joy to fly with .


PS. From what I read your not even a captain anymore .

 

[Ty Webb]

Dude

Why are you so stuck on how great you are because you are a captain ?

We have pilots just like you ,they don't want to move on because they feel they are the ALL GREAT ONE ,being a captain .

I also have friends flying corporate that feel this why.

No one on this forum brags about being a captain as much as you do .


Get over yourself . You must be a joy to fly with .


PS. From what I read your not even a captain anymore .

Sorry to ruin a perfectly good rant, but I don't mind being an FO. If I did, I would be a reserve CA right now, instead of a senior FO . . . so much for your theory about me caring so much about being a Captain.

I take it English is not your first language, because you seem to have some comprehension problems. Either, that, or someone dropped you on your head when you were little?

If it was the latter, any idea how far you were from the floor? Just curious.

Regards,
Ty

 

[Flycatcher99]

You earned it, and we didn't, huh?

That's a laugh. I earned my fourth stripe when you were still learning the door code and how to call for pushback, sister.

I heard that some AT guys upgraded in as little as 18 months. So you're probably right.

 

[madjack]

It's not really "earning". It's doing the time as an FO at SWA vs being acquired and integrated by SWA...poor choice of words...

 

[Ty Webb]

It's not really "earning". It's doing the time as an FO at SWA vs being acquired and integrated by SWA...poor choice of words...

Yeah, tell that to the NWA guys who are part of DAL, or the CAL guys at United.

The SWA guys I have flown with get it. The whiners and criers on here are the exceptions... But, hey, if your fragile ego depends on convincing yourself that you are somehow a better pilot than the former AT guy you are working next to, then I certainly don't want to shatter your fragile psyche. Carry on.

Rock that reserve schedule, MJ! You earned it!

 

[Ty Webb]

I heard that some AT guys upgraded in as little as 18 months. So you're probably right.

The 18 month upgrades ended in early 2002, I upgraded in 2004.

 

[Sluggo_63]

As long as it's the same amount of money (including 401-K match), individually calculated per pilot's actual work, I don't care if it's called a bonus or retro, or even friggin' fairy dust, for that matter. It's the same money to each pilot, and taxable the same way.

Bubba

That's probably not going to happen since the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 was passed. Retro causes the corporation to have to go back and amend their earning from previous years. I believe it would also trigger, then, each pilot to have to go back and refile for the years that they earned the pay.

You'll get a bonus check.

And, I know our two companies are different animals, but... why would you want the money based on each pilot's actual work? Over here, we don't want to reward all the "hogs" that were at the trough while we were in contract negotiations that prolonged us even getting a TA. Not that I would personally discourage anyone from working overtime, since it is their contractual right, and we are not released to self-help. But many of us, individually and personally, thought that maybe spending time with our families was more important than spending time in an airplane, especially when our employer doesn't seem to value us by dragging their feet negotiating a CBA.

 

[SWA Bubba]

That's probably not going to happen since the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 was passed. Retro causes the corporation to have to go back and amend their earning from previous years. I believe it would also trigger, then, each pilot to have to go back and refile for the years that they earned the pay.

You'll get a bonus check.

And, I know our two companies are different animals, but... why would you want the money based on each pilot's actual work? Over here, we don't want to reward all the "hogs" that were at the trough while we were in contract negotiations that prolonged us even getting a TA. Not that I would personally discourage anyone from working overtime, since it is their contractual right, and we are not released to self-help. But many of us, individually and personally, thought that maybe spending time with our families was more important than spending time in an airplane, especially when our employer doesn't seem to value us by dragging their feet negotiating a CBA.

You might be correct about the company having to amend prior years' financials; I don't know for sure. But you're incorrect about individuals--income is taxed the year it was paid, regardless of the year it was earned. That applies to all individual income. Retro would end up being a lump sum to us, presumidly paid and taxed to us in 2015. Or 2016, if it takes that long.

Retro should be paid for actual work in the name of basic fairness. It represents all pilots getting paid for their individual work efforts at the rates they should have been getting all along, in the years we didn't have a contract simply because the company dragged its feet. Why should I, a "regular line" worker (averaging 100-ish TFPs/month), or anyone else not working overtime "to spend more time with their families," get paid part of the salary earned by another pilot who worked harder than me/them? Also, why should a pilot who only averages 50 TFPs (say he/she has a rich spouse, and gives away a lot) get some of the money that -I- actually earned? Again, it's basic fairness.

Companies with CBAs that have gone beyond amenable dates pay retro when a contract is reached, as a disincentive to stalling, or slow-rolling negotiations; this way they pay all the money they would have if contractual raises had gone into effect on time. In all actuality, they should really pay calculated retro plus interest, as there's still a smaller incentive to stall, in the time-value of the workers' money they held for that period. Interest would make sure that neither the company benefitted, not the workers lost any money, for the delay. However, that never happens. Retro itself is generally thought of as making the workers "whole."

My other point was that the company can call it a "bonus" if they want (if it makes their financials easier, for instance), as long as they pay all the calculated money that each pilot earned while they stalled. That way, each pilot is made "whole," and the company has one less incentive to stall in future negotiations.

Bubba

 

[madjack]

I don't seem to be the one with a fragile ego...Captain Webb

 

[madjack]

Or the chip on his shoulder

 

[Ty Webb]

Whatever, MJ.

Obviously, you are back on reserve, and not digging it.

Maybe you should take a page from ol' Ty and just enjoy the life of the senior FO for a while.

 

[madjack]

I'm considering just that...but LC program is going away...I don't bid reserve because I commute...there is movement below me on CP list as many FATs go to upgrade...good for everyone...some RSWs would argue that point...I am flying with a FAT CP today...though I don't think he got screwed and will have little sympathy if he whines, I will keep my views to myself...