Southwest trip drop question

[wood pecker]

When pilots say that you can build schedules around commutting or drop portions of trip how easy / hard is that process at SW?

For ex u have to get from ATL to OAK. Is it possile to have / find trips that start out of BHM, or nearby driving places instead of every trip starting out of OAK?

 

[redflyer65]

You might not be able to find too many trips that take you all the way to your destination, but we are allowed to drop any portion of a trip to another pilot.

So if you are trying to go ATL-OAK, you might find something like BHM-PHX, or BHM-LAS. But it's never a given that those legs will be in there, it would be someone trying to drop it.

You can always trade your trips with the company thru a program called ELITT. It's the equivilant of just trading with any open time that they have available.

 

[PCL_128]

Is it possible to just straight drop flying, or do you have to have someone willing to pick it up?

 

[airlinepilot]

You have to trade it on ELITT (against company open trips), or trade it with someone who is looking to trade or you can just put it in give away and someone might pick it up

Is it possible to just straight drop flying, or do you have to have someone willing to pick it up?

 

[slaquer5]

Is it possible to just straight drop flying, or do you have to have someone willing to pick it up?

Yes I drop my whole line every month. Then Pick up when i want to work.

What I do pick up is all at POT ( TIME AND HALF).

I love POT premium open time

 

[Daddy]

Who doesn't love POT?

 

[DonVerita]

Yes I drop my whole line every month. Then Pick up when i want to work.

What I do pick up is all at POT ( TIME AND HALF).

I love POT premium open time

To do what you do, would that mean that someone would have to pick up all those trips you are dropping before you could actually consider them dropped? In other words, you can't just drop them into a big pot and be done with them, can you?

Also, can you explain 2x Junior Available and how it works?

Thanks.

 

[JohnQ]

Yes I drop my whole line every month. Then Pick up when i want to work.

What I do pick up is all at POT ( TIME AND HALF).

I love POT premium open time

Is that a separate pot of time, or do you just submit a request to pick up time, but only if it is available at premium pay?

At DAL for example, there is only one "pot" of open time (though we also have a separate swap board where you can drop, swap, and pick up trips with other pilots). Whether or not there will be premium pay available varies significantly by base and category staffing, which is always a moving target. Some categories may go long stretches without anyone getting a premium pay trip while others would implode if half the pilots out there weren't flying extra due to undermanning--ergo lots of premium pay flying out there.

 

[slaquer5]

I am very poor at writtng so bare with me.

I put my trips in giveaway , where other pilots that a sure thing pick up for the extra flying


I now am off for the month. If i did not pick anything up I would not be getting paid

Our open time closes at 9/1300/1700/ 2100/ then ever hour during the night.


You can bid trips at any base at either POT/ or straight pay.
SWA will give the trip to straight pay bidder first.

I only bid at POT . Right now being summer they are very short and can not get rid of the trips at POT.


There is a lot of money to be made if your willing to spend a little time trading . I like my tme off , but we have fairly junior guys making almost 300 trips a month this summer.

 

[saabcaptain]

Also, can you explain 2x Junior Available and how it works?

Thanks.

2x JA is *involuntary* *day off* flying at double pay. If you pick up POT, it is your choice so 1.5x pay. If you get extended on a day you are already flying it is 1.5x pay. But if you get jetway JA'd at the end of a trip to fly the next day which you are off, it is 2x JA pay.

 

[Nindiri]

Sounds a little clunky compared to Flica. With Flica, I just straight drop whatever I want. Then, whenever I feel like it, I put in a pickup request for open trips I like and get instant results.

Oh well, I guess for the raise, I can spend a little more time at the computer.

 

[wood pecker]

Wow flexibility with a schedule! What a concept. Now what about reserves and their choices?

Can they freely trade, swap, drop reserve days then add open trips?

Thanks for the good info.

 

[GuppyWN]

That's why you're overstaffed.

Gup

 

[wood pecker]

Disregard, found answer regarding reserves on another post. Neat, fingers crossed for tomorrow.

Thanks, according to our open time system almost every trade of mine is denied due to minimum reserve coverage. It is still July yet already understaffed for August.

 

[seven3seven]

I dont pick up trips from other captains. Slaquer drops his trips and is below the cap so he gets all the premium. But he's super senior so he gets whatever he wants.

And stay away from Oakland. It sucks. And we dont want you out here.

 

[tankerhead]

Disregard, found answer regarding reserves on another post. Neat, fingers crossed for tomorrow.

Thanks, according to our open time system almost every trade of mine is denied due to minimum reserve coverage. It is still July yet already understaffed for August.

Can you link to this other post? Thx.

 

[wood pecker]

I think it was around page 13 on the SLI thread. I think, sorry got to go get a tiller installed in my car so I can pretend to be a capt. Just kidding and look forward to job stability.

 

[ASADFW7]

Why even bother answering questions for AAI pilots? I think we will never integrate now.

 

[redflyer65]

It's not looking good all of the sudden.

RF

 

[wood pecker]

What changed? Our forum is dead

 

[fugghedabowdit]

It's not looking good all of the sudden.

RF

Which side are you speaking of?

 

[redflyer65]

Just some of the rumors I'm starting to hear from the senior SW FO's. I'll leave it at that.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

It's not looking good all of the sudden.

RF

wow, step away for a few mins and things change fast. whaddup?

 

[bladeusa]

This deal isn't designed to pass by 100%. If it was, then it would be 0% on the other side.
There is going to be a percentage of people on both sides who feel they are getting disproportionately screwed over and vote no. I'm waiting until I see and understand the whole agreement before I decide how to cast my vote. I will vote my conscious, and will live with outcome no matter if i'm in the majority or minority or if voted up or down.
I would hope everyone on both sides does the same.

 

[DonVerita]

I am very poor at writtng so bare with me.

I put my trips in giveaway , where other pilots that a sure thing pick up for the extra flying


I now am off for the month. If i did not pick anything up I would not be getting paid

Interesting. So apparently you have no floor, meaning that there isn't a bottom number of hours (example: 35) that you must fly each month.

 

[huronip]

Don,

That is correct, but unless you are a mid level CA/FO you will not be able to give trips away.

 

[PCL_128]

Don,

That is correct, but unless you are a mid level CA/FO you will not be able to give trips away.

Why is that?

 

[CaptWidgeon]

if you have a 4 day weekend trip or a trip that doesn't pay well no one will prob want it. now if it has a lbb overnight, it'll go fast.

 

[dicko]

Sounds a little clunky compared to Flica. With Flica, I just straight drop whatever I want. Then, whenever I feel like it, I put in a pickup request for open trips I like and get instant results.

Oh well, I guess for the raise, I can spend a little more time at the computer.

We must be working for different airlines. For the last 3 months we have had insufficient reserves all month. This begins 10 days before the month even starts !

No dropping and no trading into a day you're not already working.

What magic seat and equipment are you on ?

 

[scoreboardII]

Why is that?

Because no one picks up straight time, everybody is holding out for premium pay. Now in Feb, a short month, everybody is searching for anything, you could drop anything.

Guys making 300tfp a month? Urban legand, but if it's true, then that guy has no life and is working 23-28 days a month.

Folks are more likely making 105-125, relatively easy by adding a few days above min. Hitting 150-200? Again, guys who like to work 20 plus days a month, go for it, that or they are top 5% and can drop the turns and outbid and win the POT.

Lets keep the totals real folks.

No, you can't drop your whole line unless someone takes your flying.