Southwest Training

[tankerhead]

Plus he used a smiley-face thingie, you humorless a-hole loser.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Spouse is optional...I didn't bring mine. Set your 401K at 10% so you get the full 9.3% match. Do Pilot Mutual Aid...once you opt out you can't get back in. Don't do the life insurance...if you get sick, it drops after you drop off the rolls and your family gets nothing. AD&D is a good deal. Choice Plus medical if you have a family and you use medical/RX coverage....it's in the high 200's/month now. Dental is good. We do vision insurance but never use it so it's probably a waste. Don't study ahead...it's an airliner with gear, flaps, engines and wheels...no big deal.

Could you clarify that a bit? Are you saying if you medical out you lose your life insurance?


SLC

 

[doh]

Seriously Ty you are reeeeeally reaching with that one. I almost forget Airtran is better than Southwest until you come along. Again you provided NO useful information.

Read the thread. Ty was trying for a little levity. You are being an ***hole.

 

[BigEasy]

Could you clarify that a bit? Are you saying if you medical out you lose your life insurance?


SLC

My understanding is if you medical out the premiums would be so expensive it would not be worth it. I don't mind the insurance if something should happen to me unexpectedly but I am looking for another plan to cover me if I do go out on medical.

 

[Remington]

My understanding is if you medical out the premiums would be so expensive it would not be worth it. I don't mind the insurance if something should happen to me unexpectedly but I am looking for another plan to cover me if I do go out on medical.

Obamacare?

 

[FlyinGuy]

SWA offers life and AD&D. You have the option to purchase these items at different amounts every year during annual enrollment. The life insurance is a good deal if you.....well.......go quickly. Like within the year. If you get a long term illness, when the new enrollment period comes around you will have the option to continue on the SWA life insurance at a very high rate. So, many will tell you to shop elsewhere for your life insurance needs. I believe SWAPA has a plan that they worked through an insurance company but I don't use that one.

 

[USARET]

So i'm off to Dallas for training. Can anyone give me a good idea of what to expect? I am coming from the Airtran side. What is the schedule like? What monthly guarantee do training pilots get? Does the spouse still come for the first few days? Just all the good info please. Please don't spin off into the AirTran vs Southwest crap, not interested in that stuff. Thanks

A spare liver would have been helpful.

 

[Slug]

Regarding the bar tab, the beer is free from 5 - 6 p.m. and there are free horse duvers until 7 p.m. Don't forget to tip, please. The gals are great and provide great free beer service.

This is at the Wyndham.


slug

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Your going through what every other SWA pilot went through...sans probation And a 10k bill for a type...

Let's throttle back a bit...not every SWA Pilot paid 10k for a type....a whole bunch of us got a type from a former employer. Some even worked in the Tng Ctr as Instructors and were given the type as part of becoming an Instructor....

There has never been a requirement to buy a type to be hired or interviewed by SWA. The only requirement was to have a type.

Buying a 737 type was a choice that many made based on their own wants or desires for their futures...but it was a choice they made for themselves.

 

[ROSWELL41]

You're kidding, right?

No, just wondering. I got a rental car as a newhire at Spirit paid for by Spirit.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Spirit can afford the rental car considering what they are paying you - its only peanuts for them

 

[ROSWELL41]

Spirit can afford the rental car considering what they are paying you - its only peanuts for them

LOL. Enjoy your 18 years in the right seat.

 

[kwick]

Spirit can afford the rental car considering what they are paying you - its only peanuts for them

Wrong! Five year Spirit pilot $133/hr, next year goes to $138/hr.

Southwest only $130/hr.

Do your home work.

 

[HowardBorden]

Wrong! Five year Spirit pilot $133/hr, next year goes to $138/hr.

Southwest only $130/hr.

Do your home work.

I had no idea Spirit guarantees a Captain seat at year 5.

 

[madjack]

5 88 88 88 4 82 82 82 Five year FO pay rates at Spirit: 3 76 76 76 2 70 70 70 1 38 38 38

Year 1-5 FO hourly pay rates at Spirit...How long is the upgrade at Spirit?(Spirit CP tops out at $166.00/hr)

 

[kwick]

I had no idea Spirit guarantees a Captain seat at year 5.

It's 3 years or less now, plus it's a whole lot more fun flying with your
favorite Captain every month for the same pay!

 

[kwick]

5 88 88 88 4 82 82 82 Five year FO pay rates at Spirit: 3 76 76 76 2 70 70 70 1 38 38 38

Year 1-5 FO hourly pay rates at Spirit...How long is the upgrade at Spirit?(Spirit CP tops out at $166.00/hr)

3 year upgrade, $185/hr top pay.

Do the math, and do you really want to be in the wrong seat for over ten years?

 

[madjack]

I stand corrected, $185.00/hr Spirit CP pay...$108.00 for FO that is pretty big Delta btw CP and FO, but I guess the upgrades will continue forever at Spirit, right?

 

[kwick]

I stand corrected, $185.00/hr Spirit CP pay...$108.00 for FO that is pretty big Delta btw CP and FO, but I guess the upgrades will continue forever at Spirit, right?

Next five years, beyond that, who knows?

 

[Clyde Frog]

Of course he is, nobody gets a rental, anywhere.

AirTran paid for my rental car when I was in LGB for 5 weeks.

 

[scoreboardII]

Doing????

 

[atldc9]

initial 717 training...

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I got a rental car in Miami as well as a condo overlooking Biscayne Bay for initial training on the 9. Some also stayed in condos out at the Doral Country Club. When transitioning from the 9 to the 71, we were downgraded to the Embassy Suites and only the instructors got rental cars ;(.

 

[zippy32]

Normally in a class of 24 there will be a 4 or 5 guys that have a car. My class carpooled everywhere together (training center, downtown, restaurants, Gentleman's club, etc).

 

[Remington]

Wrong! Five year Spirit pilot $133/hr, next year goes to $138/hr.

Southwest only $130/hr.

Do your home work.

Probably need to throw some workrules into that to get the real picture right?

 

[HowardBorden]

3 year upgrade, $185/hr top pay.

Do the math, and do you really want to be in the wrong seat for over ten years?

When I do the math, it comes out like this when using pay rates alone and minimum guarantee:

Start out at Spirit and work for 3 years as an F.O. then upgrade to captain at year 4. Total earnings over a 10 year period-$1,020,384.

Start out as an F.O. at SWA and work in the right seat for 10 years. Total earnings over a 10 year period-$1,141,920.

Difference-$121,536.

For $121,536, yes I'd rather be stuck in the wrong seat for a decade.

Of course, this is only a comparison of hourly rates at minimum guarantee, there are many intangibles involved but intangibles are very difficult to quantify.

 

[kwick]

When I do the math, it comes out like this when using pay rates alone and minimum guarantee:

Start out at Spirit and work for 3 years as an F.O. then upgrade to captain at year 4. Total earnings over a 10 year period-$1,020,384.

Start out as an F.O. at SWA and work in the right seat for 10 years. Total earnings over a 10 year period-$1,141,920.

Difference-$121,536.

For $121,536, yes I'd rather be stuck in the wrong seat for a decade.

Of course, this is only a comparison of hourly rates at minimum guarantee, there are many intangibles involved but intangibles are very difficult to quantify.

Ten year upgrade?

Try twenty, what upgrade calculator are you using?

 

[HowardBorden]

Ten year upgrade?

Try twenty, what upgrade calculator are you using?

You asked: "Do the math, and do you really want to be in the wrong seat for over ten years?"

So, I did the math, and the answer was "YES."

 

[kwick]

You asked: "Do the math, and do you really want to be in the wrong seat for over ten years?"

So, I did the math, and the answer was "YES."

It's pretty hard to look forward more than five years, or so, and
not everybody is ready for the left seat in just three years.

 

[HowardBorden]

It's pretty hard to look forward more than five years, or so

Yes, I agree it is hard forecast anything past one or two really. That's why the 20 year upgrade estimates are based on ZERO growth at SWA for the next two decades. What is the zero growth estimate for upgrade at Spirit?