Southwest to build new international terminal at HOU

[Just thinking]

"HOU already operates 143 daily departures and the majority of those passengers are not originating in Houston."....................

So what you are saying is that a majority of the passengers that are landing and taking off from HOU are not going to HOU at all? In other words they have to be routed through HOU to get to their final destination from their original destination? They may have to change planes in HOU to get to their destination? Their bags will have to be downloaded and then uploaded onto another aircraft? They have to chose HOU or BNA or MDW or BWI or STL to get to their final destination? (If there is not a direct flight)

Point to point/hub and spoke..... tomato/tomato

 

[redflyer65]

72% of our px go direct. Going to S America will change that for those going there. We can't apply our domestic route structure to future international....it will be an add on to what we have. Like in Houston.

 

[27 driver]

72% of our px go direct. Going to S America will change that for those going there. We can't apply our domestic route structure to future international....it will be an add on to what we have. Like in Houston.

I think you guys are trying to say the same thing but calling it something different. HOU will be a HUB for international traffic. Maybe not so much for domestic.

 

[Just thinking]

"72% of our px go direct"..................

Look at the arrival times and departure times for the bank of flights in and out of MDW, BWI, BNA, HOU, etc......... If 72% or your customers are going direct then why do they need to be routed to these stations? Pull up any one of the outstation cities and try to schedule a direct flight to anything that is not a "hub" and you will have to connect through that "hub" to get to your desired destination. Manchester to Orlando.... 11 flights a day with only three non stops. GSP-MCO 4 flights only one non stop... other three stop in HOU/BNA/BWI. SJC-BWI= five flights and zero non stops. Base to base.... OAK-BWI= ten flights a day and zero non stops.

I suggest you chat with the folks in planning and scheduling.... even they call it a "mini" hub and spoke.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Ironically ATL natives call a frosted orange a FO.

And don't forget the fried pie..... If they still serve those things. I haven't eaten there since my 1987 chile dog incident. Spent a couple of days at the Ga Tech infirmary.

 

[HowardBorden]

"72% of our px go direct"..................

Look at the arrival times and departure times for the bank of flights in and out of MDW, BWI, BNA, HOU, etc......... If 72% or your customers are going direct then why do they need to be routed to these stations? Pull up any one of the outstation cities and try to schedule a direct flight to anything that is not a "hub" and you will have to connect through that "hub" to get to your desired destination. Manchester to Orlando.... 11 flights a day with only three non stops. GSP-MCO 4 flights only one non stop... other three stop in HOU/BNA/BWI. SJC-BWI= five flights and zero non stops. Base to base.... OAK-BWI= ten flights a day and zero non stops.

I suggest you chat with the folks in planning and scheduling.... even they call it a "mini" hub and spoke.

Yes, 72% go direct but many transit what you are calling a "hub." You don't have a very sound understanding of the network. You reference "banks" of flights, SWA doesn't do that. There are departures spread out through the day, not concentrated in banks. SWA currently files fares in 3,300 continental U.S. city-pair markets, and offers nonstop service in over 500 roundtrip markets. The average passenger trip length is 943 miles. Look at MCI for example. Non-stop service to: SEA, PDX, LAX, SAN, ABQ, OKC, MSP, MKE, IND, STL, BNA, BOS, TPA, MSY and FLL in addition to OAK, PHX, LAS, MDW, BWI, DAL, HOU and MCO. The folks in scheduling and planning call them "Focus Cities."

 

[scoreboardII]

what you call banks is merely 3500 flights a day going to 70 destinations, they have to go to the big cities sometime.

 

[Just thinking]

"Look at MCI for example. Non-stop service to: SEA, PDX, LAX, SAN, ABQ"...........

MCI-SEA 7 flights one non stop
MCI-PDX 9 flights one non stop
MCI-LAX 10 flights NO non stops
MCI-SAN 13 flights two non stops
MCI-ABQ 7 flights with one non stop

All these flights are for 22 June. 46 flights with 5 non stops. Yes they do offer non stop service. What is the frequency of that non stop service? What is the chance that you will be routed through a SWA base to get to your final destination?

If you have to land at a SWA base they need to coordinate the arrival times to those bases to coordinate the connecting flight to get the customer to their final destination. By coordinating those flights you are establishing a "bank" of flights in and out of a SWA base. The folks in planning are calling them "mini hubs".

I think I understand it well enough to see what it really is in spite of it being called point to point. It certainly is NOT NON STOP.

 

[HowardBorden]

"Look at MCI for example. Non-stop service to: SEA, PDX, LAX, SAN, ABQ"...........

MCI-SEA 7 flights one non stop
MCI-PDX 9 flights one non stop
MCI-LAX 10 flights NO non stops
MCI-SAN 13 flights two non stops
MCI-ABQ 7 flights with one non stop

All these flights are for 22 June. 46 flights with 5 non stops. Yes they do offer non stop service. What is the frequency of that non stop service? What is the chance that you will be routed through a SWA base to get to your final destination?

If you have to land at a SWA base they need to coordinate the arrival times to those bases to coordinate the connecting flight to get the customer to their final destination. By coordinating those flights you are establishing a "bank" of flights in and out of a SWA base. The folks in planning are calling them "mini hubs".

I think I understand it well enough to see what it really is in spite of it being called point to point. It certainly is NOT NON STOP.

Well, tomorrow June 11th SWA does 3 non-stops to LAX out of MCI: 6:15, 1 00 and 5 05. Every other one you mentioned also does non stops. I don't understand your point. If it was a hub and spoke operation EVERY flight to ANY of those destinations would pass through a hub. If you were on Delta you would HAVE to go through Atlanta to get from MCI to MCO. If it was United it would have to go through Chicago, American through Dallas etc. There are no other options when leaving K.C. except going through a hub if you choose to fly a hub and spoke operation unless your destination is in fact a hub. Is every SWA city available non stop, of course not but they are available to every destination I mentioned.

 

[Just thinking]

There are twenty flights out of MCI to LAX tomorrow. Three are non stop. Everything else is routed through a SWA "mini hub" except for a STL and ABQ. You are right. It is not hub and spoke.