Southwest Says Planes Could Not Land Without Air Traffic Control

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm with FedEx1, the quote that we are all debating is from an angry passenger. She heard what she wanted to from the Captain's PA. Non-event.

However, maybe the folks from Airline happened to be filming that night and it will be on next season.

 

[canyonblue]

Bring up the rear, why the hate for SWA ?

It is interesting how many on this board do not put where they are currently employed. Are they that embarrassed? Probably.

 

[FN FAL]

Nope, I am just tired of losers thinking they can spout off unfunny, untrue, insults and then think it is ok or won't be challenged just because they put a smiley face on it.

You want to poke fun? Work on being funny. In the mean time expect someone to challenge you just about every time you insult their employer.

Be a LUVr not a H8er

Number one, I order you to take a number two.

 

[xanderman]

yep it's a trend now....

Nope, I am just tired of losers thinking they can spout off unfunny, untrue, insults and then think it is ok or won't be challenged just because they put a smiley face on it.

You want to poke fun? Work on being funny. In the mean time expect someone to challenge you just about every time you insult their employer.

Be a LUVr not a H8er

Like I said it seems to me that some of the SWA folks are a little sensitive. Thanks for helping me to illustrate my point.
Andy

P.S. If the kool-aid gives you cramps... Stop drinking it!

 

[ivauir]

Like I said it seems to me that some of the SWA folks are a little sensitive. Thanks for helping me to illustrate my point.
Andy

P.S. If the kool-aid gives you cramps... Stop drinking it!

Like I said it seems to me that some folks like to hide their insults behind "humor" that isn't funny. These folks are jerks. Thanks for illustrating my point.

 

[Victor120]

Favorite Planet

.....:laugh:

 

[Victor120]

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[canyonblue737]

I'm with FedEx1, the quote that we are all debating is from an angry passenger. She heard what she wanted to from the Captain's PA. Non-event.

However, maybe the folks from Airline happened to be filming that night and it will be on next season.

the show is no longer being produced and is to my understanding canceled and only in re-runs.

 

[Bringupthebird]

We won't leave the departure airport if curfew is going to be an issue, been there done that, we explain it to the customers, they take the next flight the next day. How would you have us handle it seeing as you have all the answers?

Departing for an airport, whose tower is required to be open in order to legally land, when you know it won't be is quite similar to departing for an airport you won't be able to land at due to curfew.

Now if the true story is substantially different from what the opener of this thread would have us believe, then maybe there's nothing to talk about. Maybe the tower in PVD never got the message. Maybe there was some other miscommunication that the flight crew was unaware of.

But as anyone who operates in the same environment as SWA can attest, the LUVers are known for their constant requests to be accomodated at the expense of other carriers. And many times they are, for whatever reason. This sounded like one attempt that backfired. And for all the people who have had to turn, slow down or wait for SW to be put at the front of the line, this was a little taste of sweet revenge.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

the show is no longer being produced and is to my understanding canceled and only in re-runs.

Didn't know that. I couldn't watch the show anyways. I always felt like I was back at work and at the end of the program I was irritated with the traveling public.:nuts:

 

[scoreboard]

Departing for an airport, whose tower is required to be open in order to legally land, when you know it won't be is quite similar to departing for an airport you won't be able to land at due to curfew. DUH, and we didn't.

Now if the true story is substantially different from what the opener of this thread would have us believe, then maybe there's nothing to talk about. Maybe the tower in PVD never got the message. Maybe there was some other miscommunication that the flight crew was unaware of. Your right, there is nothing to be ade of this mole hill

But as anyone who operates in the same environment as SWA can attest, the LUVers are known for their constant requests to be accomodated at the expense of other carriers. And many times they are, for whatever reason. This sounded like one attempt that backfired. And for all the people who have had to turn, slow down or wait for SW to be put at the front of the line, this was a little taste of sweet revenge.

B.S. on the accomodation, I can't count the times ATC has offered a direct to other carriers only to be told "no thanks, we need to keep on the clock" or something to that effect. Last week I even heard "no, we need to make-em pay".

So this is all about revenge? Nice.

 

[FN FAL]

Didn't know that. I couldn't watch the show anyways. I always felt like I was back at work and at the end of the program I was irritated with the traveling public.:nuts:

Yea, it was kind of like watching cops, but without the LAPD choke hold. It was kind of dissapointing to not see anyone doing the "funky chicken".

 

[canyonblue]

This sounded like one attempt that backfired.

Oh yea, they should have just cancelled the flight and not even try to get there. And then let the people fend for themselves, where? At BWI.

 

[SWA/FO]

Nope, I am just tired of losers thinking they can spout off unfunny, untrue, insults and then think it is ok or won't be challenged just because they put a smiley face on it.

You want to poke fun? Work on being funny. In the mean time expect someone to challenge you just about every time you insult their employer.

Be a LUVr not a H8er

Where you been baby!!! Are you my back up from the G.O. I agree 100% with your post quoted above. Finally, some back-up!!!

 

[ironspud]

Be a LUVr not a H8er

Not "H8er"..."HAAter".

 

[bustinmins]

"It was so sad, and we were treated like cattle," said Michelle Harvey, who was flying home from Baltimore with her mother. Harvey said the passengers had to camp out overnight at the airport in Baltimore.

Passenger Jillian Costa shot home video of the ordeal. Costa was traveling with an infant, and she wasn't the only one. "I had no formula. Nothing. He's been in the same diaper since 1:15 this morning," Costa said. "At one point, I needed something to mix her formula with and it took them forever to even give me hot water,"


Dang, People are stupid!!!

Michelle, Pay more money for your ticket and you might get some service, not just a seat to XYZ. If you wern't so cheap you could afford a hotel room too.

Jillian, Jillian, Jillian... Fly prepared with extra diapers, and don't ever expect that its your right for someone to serve you hot water.

Aren't those $39 tickets great!!!!

 

[COOPERVANE]

Passengers are the same that used to ride Trailways.

Except "we be ridin' in style. Where's my free $hit"

 

[Focus]

Im sorry but I dont have that much time to read this BS......Page 1....we know something of the details....As a manager you have to know the entire story....So here it goes. Baby Hungry,,,,People Stranded, Love Squandered, and Crew over worked. Next thing we do is develop a logical scenario of the circumstances that develpoed into these atrocitities. First and foremost is the presumption that the baby was actually hungry. Our Counsel has already advised us that the baby had been breast fead 24 hours prior while the mother was napping in the terminal. Simply stated...Mommy was selfish.

More Importantly, Mommy's sister had already stated that she would never watch over her sisters Baby. Obviously, where do we go from here. In a court filled inquiry the judges unamiously found for the Grandmothers Sister.

All parties are still trying to find Nannie.

 

[northstar]

Im sorry but I dont have that much time to read this BS......Page 1....we know something of the details....As a manager you have to know the entire story....So here it goes. Baby Hungry,,,,People Stranded, Love Squandered, and Crew over worked. Next thing we do is develop a logical scenario of the circumstances that develpoed into these atrocitities. First and foremost is the presumption that the baby was actually hungry. Our Counsel has already advised us that the baby had been breast fead 24 hours prior while the mother was napping in the terminal. Simply stated...Mommy was selfish.

More Importantly, Mommy's sister had already stated that she would never watch over her sisters Baby. Obviously, where do we go from here. In a court filled inquiry the judges unamiously found for the Grandmothers Sister.

All parties are still trying to find Nannie.

...what are you talking about? Someone in their right mind made you a manager? No wonder .... nevermind, not worth it.

 

[Focus]

Dude, it was just a joke....Good Night.

 

[pipejockey]

Oh yea, they should have just cancelled the flight and not even try to get there. And then let the people fend for themselves, where? At BWI.

Fend for themselves? What are you talking about? Is it the SWA way to make people pay for their own hotels when they can't get their customers to their destinations? See, at a "real" airline they provide accomodations for their customers when they can't get them to their destinations on the day they were scheduled to. Bottom line is that it wasn't because of the tower being closed, or low visibility that caused these people to have to spend the night in the terminal, it was apparently due to SWA being late and unable to meet curfew. It appears they need a backup plan if they are going to try to just get in under curfew everynight.

 

[pipejockey]

So there you have it. The whole thread summed up in one post. Like so many of the threads these days it is nothing more than hate filled idiots taking their best shots and the airline industry's customer service leader.

I presume you mean "AT" ?
The so called "hate-filled idiot" appears to be none other than.......ivauir!!!

 

[ivauir]

I presume you mean "AT" ?
The so called "hate-filled idiot" appears to be none other than.......ivauir!!!

Wow, that was really hurtful and oh so clever.

 

[frog_flyer]

while the attention of all these swa guys is here... i'll go ahead and ask.

my cfi's dad is a VERY senior 777 captain at american. We were on regional approach tonight and an swa out to midland (climbing to FL340...? itd be like a 5 minute cruise?) got on and i started saying how much i would love to work for swa, etc, etc, (My home is in dallas, but i go to tcu.... soooo Hometown GO SWA)

anyway.... Is it possible for a senior 737 CA to pull in 250k a year?

I told her one could. She said 37 drivers get nothing compared to wideboy legacy pay. I wanted to ask how papa liked his 45% paycut, but shes hot and i don't wanna piss her off! Then mentioned airlinepilotpay payrates... (not sure how the conversion works, i understand yall get paid by the trip...?)

anyway... Can SWA CA's have comparable Pay/qol/days off as a widebody Legacy captain 50 #'s from the top of the list?

 

[pipejockey]

Wow, that was really hurtful and oh so clever.

Thanks for the compliment!

 

[HalinTexas]

The next question you should ask is, "How many 15 year F/O's does AA and SWA have?" I jumped on AA the other day and the MD80 FO has been there 15 years. I bet there are no 15-year FO's at SWA. OK, maybe one or two.

Widebody jobs at the legacies are distinctly rare. I'll definitely take the SWA job over the hoped-for widebody CA job a legacy. Too many reasons to list.

 

[mach zero]

while the attention of all these swa guys is here... i'll go ahead and ask.

my cfi's dad is a VERY senior 777 captain at american. We were on regional approach tonight and an swa out to midland (climbing to FL340...? itd be like a 5 minute cruise?) got on and i started saying how much i would love to work for swa, etc, etc, (My home is in dallas, but i go to tcu.... soooo Hometown GO SWA)

anyway.... Is it possible for a senior 737 CA to pull in 250k a year?

I told her one could. She said 37 drivers get nothing compared to wideboy legacy pay. I wanted to ask how papa liked his 45% paycut, but shes hot and i don't wanna piss her off! Then mentioned airlinepilotpay payrates... (not sure how the conversion works, i understand yall get paid by the trip...?)

anyway... Can SWA CA's have comparable Pay/qol/days off as a widebody Legacy captain 50 #'s from the top of the list?

I flew with a CA the other day who pulled in $325,000 for 2005. He flys smart so that he gets maximum $'s for each trip he flys. He is also able to avoid working on weekends. This year, he said he expects to clear $350K. Alot of the senior guys I fly with in DAL clear $250K.

I am sure that your CFI chick's daddy doesn't do nearly as many trips on that triple as one of our senior CA's does. That is due in part to int'l flight / duty times and such. Comparing domestic to int'l is not comparing apples to apples though. I do think SWA will be flying int'l in the next decade ( if that is what you want to do).

 

[frog_flyer]

yeah he flies to japan and something in europe. One of my dad's former clients is a 15 year 737 f/o. He said with normal attrition he'll get CA within a year.

15 years is nothing to the 20 something that usair has/had? But dang i cant imagine yanking gear for half of my "final stop" airline career.


thanks for the replies! I knew swa guys could roll with the leggies.

 

[ivauir]

while the attention of all these swa guys is here... i'll go ahead and ask.

my cfi's dad is a VERY senior 777 captain at american. We were on regional approach tonight and an swa out to midland (climbing to FL340...? itd be like a 5 minute cruise?) got on and i started saying how much i would love to work for swa, etc, etc, (My home is in dallas, but i go to tcu.... soooo Hometown GO SWA)

anyway.... Is it possible for a senior 737 CA to pull in 250k a year?

I told her one could. She said 37 drivers get nothing compared to wideboy legacy pay. I wanted to ask how papa liked his 45% paycut, but shes hot and i don't wanna piss her off! Then mentioned airlinepilotpay payrates... (not sure how the conversion works, i understand yall get paid by the trip...?)

anyway... Can SWA CA's have comparable Pay/qol/days off as a widebody Legacy captain 50 #'s from the top of the list?

Who knows what the future will bring? I enjoy working at SWA and my pay as a 4th year FO is not too shabby, but I find it hard to belive that the situation we have today will continue forever. I expect a widebody pilot to make more and eventually that will be the case again (hopefully through raises for them!). Six years ago SWA was paying way less than the legacies and folks who made it their first choice were the exception. We'll probably never be that much under the radar again, but WHEN this industry recovers there will probably be some eye popping saleries in the widebodies again.

I guess my point is that life at the top of most senority lists is pretty great. I guess there are still folks who think of SWA pilots as light twin/regional pilots, but don't count the legacies out yet either, just be ready to grab the best opportunity that comes along when you are ready.