Southwest - Profit!!!

[Quimby]

Is he human?








Even those boys are off once in awhile.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Quote from B737Dvr

Well the difference is that we WORK for what we get paid!

Riiiiiight, like all of those walkarounds you do on those 20 minute turns or might that be your rampers doing the "Work".

Climb down off your cross and pull the nails out of your hands J3, and quit slinging mud. B737 was dead on and you tell HIM to get a business plan, like HE has ANY say over it.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Inevitable: The 787 arrives in its carbon-fiber glory. It turns out to be a huge success and extraordinarily economical to operate. In 15 years, everyone is flying 787's domestically, and SWA will be faced with a decision... scrap the 737 model and transition to 787 (expen$ive) or soldier on with 737 (also expen$ive).

????

If SWA does get the 787, or a smaller version, they will be the most able to afford it. Yes, expensive, but SWA is getting 35 planes a year already.

Everyone is going to get the 787??? If they can get financing.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Did you know????

SWA is losing money at MDW, PHL, and PIT. It is also stated by Lehman Bros analyst Gary Chase that SWA has not made money at any of the major markets they have entered since 9/11. Imagine, 200 flts per day at MDW and losing money? Chase said these are just a few of his concerns as these markets are losing money even with the fuel hedges.

imp:

Just how long do you think SWA would be operating out of PHL, DEN and MDW if they were losing money????

Why would Gary Kelly announce a desire to buy 20 more airplanes than currently on order (55) between now and 2007 if the new markets were losers???

Did you know this guy at Lehman brothers sounds daft?

 

[Luke's Dad]

Blah blah blah... we are kicking a$$ and taking names. Sorry that upsets some of you older, wiser guys. I do my part everyday I VJA for a trip, helping out. You must fly 60 trips a month!

SWA/FO

Count your blessings. As a former legacy guy now at SWA, this was and still is the attitude that has led to the demise of many. Arrogancy and Complacency will kill us. Having partially survived my furlough after having been told I "won the lottery" has given me a little perspective. I was told the same thing at WN new hire and hope it is true. Keep up the productivity and company allegiance but don't let it go to your head.

Best,
Fellow SWA/FO

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Did you know????

SWA is losing money at MDW, PHL, and PIT. It is also stated by Lehman Bros analyst Gary Chase that SWA has not made money at any of the major markets they have entered since 9/11. Imagine, 200 flts per day at MDW and losing money? Chase said these are just a few of his concerns as these markets are losing money even with the fuel hedges.

imp:

Lowerturd, quit smoking crack. The best part of you ran down your daddys leg. Now back up this idiotic comment with some fact instead of spewing some bs like a brother in hood trying not to get locked up.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

SWA/FO

Count your blessings. As a former legacy guy now at SWA, this was and still is the attitude that has led to the demise of many. Arrogancy and Complacency will kill us. Having partially survived my furlough after having been told I "won the lottery" has given me a little perspective. I was told the same thing at WN new hire and hope it is true. Keep up the productivity and company allegiance but don't let it go to your head.

Best,
Fellow SWA/FO

I dont know where we find some of these tools, but it seems is though there is always about 1% that can really stick their foot in their mouth. Plus it portrays this bs premadonna attitude that is not represntative of 99.9% of us.

 

[Jolly Roger]

I dont know where we find some of these tools, but it seems is though there is always about 1% that can really stick their foot in their mouth. Plus it portrays this bs premadonna attitude that is not represntative of 99.9% of us.

Exactly. I have tried to point this out before, but to no avail. Who knows what will happen tomorrow.... gloating just highlights the insecurity of these few idiots.... enough!

 

[Sluggo_63]

Hey, this is coming from an analcyst at Lehman Bros. Could he be wrong?

imp:

If you didn't like the guy, that's one thing... but to call him an anal cyst is quite another. He should be removed.

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA/FO

Count your blessings. As a former legacy guy now at SWA, this was and still is the attitude that has led to the demise of many. Arrogancy and Complacency will kill us. Having partially survived my furlough after having been told I "won the lottery" has given me a little perspective. I was told the same thing at WN new hire and hope it is true. Keep up the productivity and company allegiance but don't let it go to your head.

Best,
Fellow SWA/FO

Most of this is in good fun. What I find is: some can dish it out but can't take it when it comes back to them. I know LUCK plays a huge role in where one ends up. This is no different, however I also believe one creates their own luck. I made the calls, I applied and worked hard for this. I continue to work hard (some would laugh at this) everyday to keep this Company going.

My PM function works. Why call a SWAPA brother out in the open? Until next time America - the SWA/FO is outta here!!!

 

[Gorilla]

????

If SWA does get the 787, or a smaller version, they will be the most able to afford it. Yes, expensive, but SWA is getting 35 planes a year already.

Everyone is going to get the 787??? If they can get financing.

Dude, I'm not Nostradamus, it was just a possibility. My point was that much of the SWA economy comes from the common fleet and common training.

Yes they can afford them. They can afford 777's right now, but have decided against it for economic reasons. Cheaper to fly what they have, as everyone is trained and they have the maintenance. My point was that if they end up with more than one aircraft type, then a lot of their cost advantages disappear.

 

[lowecur]

Lowerturd, quit smoking crack. Very original. The best part of you ran down your daddys leg. Actually, I was imaculately conceived. Now back up this idiotic comment with some fact instead of spewing some bs like a brother in hood trying not to get locked up. Oooo, a racist comment. Soooo, you don't like the fact that I quoted an analcyst. Would you like me have him pm you his data?

imp:

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Dude, I'm not Nostradamus, it was just a possibility.

Cheaper to fly what they have, as everyone is trained and they have the maintenance. My point was that if they end up with more than one aircraft type, then a lot of their cost advantages disappear.

You assume all 787 derivatives will be a type different from the current 737.

I think SWA will get a carbon fiber based airplane with a cockpit that looks surprisingly like the 737-700.

 

[lowecur]

Did you know this guy at Lehman brothers sounds daft?

Actually, Holly Hegeman quoted this guy in her newsletter last week. She said he is considered the top analyst on SWA. Imagine, all this coming from the mother of a son who is a pilot for SWA.

Incidently, I too was wondering where these guys get there info. A few months ago, one of them reported that JBLU was losing money on every new route they opened in the last few years. I think someone mentioned they get the info directly from the dot, where airlines have to report pax numbers on all routes. I guess the analysts plug in the average fares to get revenue numbers, then subtract airport and general expense costs to get their data. Sounds reasonable, as right after that Jetblue admitted they were losing their perverbiable butts on most of these routes and changed strategy.

imp:

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Actually, Holly Hegeman quoted this guy in her newsletter last week. She said he is considered the top analyst on SWA.

Imagine, all this coming from the mother of a son who is a pilot for SWA.

A few months ago, one of them reported that JBLU was losing money on every new route they opened in the last few years.

imp:

I won't be asking Lehman brothers their opinion on airlines.

Did you notice how the street was so surprised by SWA's numbers?? Nice pop in the stock. I knew it was coming. Did Lehman??

What do you think confers extra knowledge to the parent of a pilot? We are usually the last to know anything.


These analysts have to make up stories to please their clients. They use qualifiers like it is their "estimate" or "unless market forces change".


Well, the market is always changing. We have to anticipate that change. All of us will be wrong in one or more of our predictions. But some predictions are so lame (obvious) or wrong they stand out.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Actually, Holly Hegeman quoted this guy in her newsletter last week. She said he is considered the top analyst on SWA. Imagine, all this coming from the mother of a son who is a pilot for SWA.

Thats your problem; Holly Hegeman is a moron and lacks credibility.

 

[Gorilla]

You assume all 787 derivatives will be a type different from the current 737.

I think SWA will get a carbon fiber based airplane with a cockpit that looks surprisingly like the 737-700.

Very cool, that makes training cheap. What about maintenance?

I have warm fuzzy thoughts for all 121 carriers and wish everyone success, but when I see "my" B737-800 cockpit outfitted with '60's switchology, so SWA could keep the common type, it's a bit annoying. Is my source wrong? I'd heard that Boeing was going to make it a mini 777, but SWA said "No, make it common with older 737's. We are the 737 Gorilla in the airline world; make them the way we want!" Is this true?

When I saw that horrible trim wheel on the pedestal, I was shocked.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Most of this is in good fun. What I find is: some can dish it out but can't take it when it comes back to them. I know LUCK plays a huge role in where one ends up. This is no different, however I also believe one creates their own luck. I made the calls, I applied and worked hard for this. I continue to work hard (some would laugh at this) everyday to keep this Company going.

I gotta back up SWA/FO on this particular post.

I have many friends who were frozen like a deer in the headlights after 9/11. They stayed like this for years. Some are still holding out hope that their old line numbers at AA, DAL, UAL and USAir are worth protecting.

They chose not pursue ANYTHING. No 737 type, no app to UPS or FedEX. In fact more than half just put their head in the sand. They are bumming in the reserves or got out of the industry at much less pay. (Some who left the industry or went back on active duty are doing very well, I don't count those guys in this.)

One dude is letting his wife support him as he plays Mr. Mom. She looks like she has aged 15 years over the last 3.

All the while some pursued, and got, jobs at FedEx, UPS, SWA, JetBlue and Airtran.

You gotta wonder if it was a good move to trade a 1997-2000 date of hire at a previous leading employer for another year at the bottom. Time will tell.


"Chance favors the prepared mind"

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Very cool, that makes training cheap. What about maintenance?

Everyone that gets the 787 is going to spend $ on new maintenance. It won't be a cascading effect like pilots switching equipment type whenever it suits them. Go ask a Delta pilot how many times they have switched equipment the last 5 years.

When you start calling folks back at AA you will see the same nonsense.

 

[Gorilla]

Everyone that gets the 787 is going to spend $ on new maintenance. It won't be a cascading effect like pilots switching equipment type whenever it suits them. Go ask a Delta pilot how many times they have switched equipment the last 5 years.

When you start calling folks back at AA you will see the same nonsense.

You're missing my point. Southweast has always had a cost advantage in this regards over other carriers with multiple aircraft types. If/when the 787 comes to SWA, that advantage will vanish or at the least be diminished.

I'm not trying to pound SWA. Just speculating. Lower your hackles.