Southwest Pilots!

[Capn Butthead]

ON pms, all of the captains will by you beers as long as you get "initiated" for being on probation. Been there over a year and a half and still on "probation". Nothing beets seeing two hills over nebraska at nights!

 

[TrumanSparks]

Hey, I've seen those hills, the size changes but they are always worth looking at.

PMs RULE!

 

[sclark161]

The midwest is still flat from my seat, but pm's start next month so I'm expecting some topography.

 

[SWAdude]

Unfortunately, not always. Spent $3 of my own money a couple of times. They make $3 a minute and cant hook a probie up. Life aint fair!!

Maybe they felt the expectation and thought it not worth the money.

Three bucks spends just as well for everyone no matter how much you earn.

When I was on probation I never expected to have my beer bought for me. When it was, I was really appreciative. But quite frankly I never felt that it was a requirement and often times bought the beer for everyone else.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

Unfortunately, not always. Spent $3 of my own money a couple of times. They make $3 a minute and cant hook a probie up. Life aint fair!!

There is nothing more discouraging than knowing a "probie" is expecting his beer to be paid. Its a tradition. Not a requirement.

I as well as most all Captains always buy the beer for a probation pilot. But you can tell when they expect you to buy and it shows the selfishness of the individual. Just a few I'm talking about.

One overnight I went to buy the beer for the probation FO of another crew and he insisted on buying mine. He said " In my life I have had many beers bought for me because I was always on the poverty level. Now that I'm earning this much money, I intend on paying forward."

What a great attitude. I bought the next round.

 

[sfomarc]

Someone needs to go back and take physics over.

Why dont you call the training department and let them know since its in the FOM

 

[SIG600]

Desent planning!

Says the guy with 180TT.

 

[Headfake14]

hmmm...why would you see more of the "hills" during PMs as opposed to AMs?

 

[radarlove]

Why dont you call the training department and let them know since its in the FOM

I don't have a copy of your company's FOM, but I would bet dollars that there is nothing in any approved flight manual that states a "maximum" decent rate to put out flaps--the flaps don't know if you're descending or upside-down, they only know load, and that load comes from airspeed and angle of attack.

Why don't you cut and paste the part of your manual that goes against the laws of physics, so we can all be on the same page?

 

[GuppyWN]

Radar....... quit whilst you're behind. I'm too lazy to go look it up be there sure is/was a "normally" no more than 500fpm while extending flaps in our FOM. Wasn't cold hard law but a recommendation.

Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

no more than 500fpm while extending flaps in our FOM

its not in there anymore. was always BS anyway.

 

[radarlove]

its not in there anymore. was always BS anyway.

No, no, he's just "too lazy" to go find it.

 

[RedBelly]

its not in there anymore. was always BS anyway.

Not B.S... The technique is to keep guys from using the flaps as a speedbrake. If you lower the flaps, slow to the manuevering speed for that setting. If you are descending, the idea is to descend at no more than 500 fpm until you reach that speed... at that point, you can descend at whatever rate you like.

Of couse, that only works in a perfect world, but it is a good target to aim for.

 

[RJones]

no more than 500fpm while extending flaps in our FOM

Yeah, got my a$$ chewed by a check airman for doing it and now it's gone... WTF?

 

[radarlove]

Not B.S... The technique is to keep guys from using the flaps as a speedbrake. If you lower the flaps, slow to the manuevering speed for that setting. If you are descending, the idea is to descend at no more than 500 fpm until you reach that speed... at that point, you can descend at whatever rate you like.

Of couse, that only works in a perfect world, but it is a good target to aim for.

Ok...back to that making no sense at all...

What does descent rate have to do with anything? Uh...nothing? Why would descending at no more than 500 fpm make a difference with flap speed?

Well, the answer is: nothing. But thanks for playing.

It's funny, I was right without ever even seeing your manual.

 

[SWA/FO]

its BS. Using the flaps to slow, who cares, thats what they are for. We don't live in a perfect world. As long as your below Boeings speeds, your fine.

Next time a check airman talks BS, make him show you in the book. To many Captain's liv'in in the past. Open the book every once in awhile.

 

[knelson]

Call for them and when they say no or not yet... reply "Ok then you set flaps to 5 when you want to." Or "IF I try to fly the airplane like you want me to, it will just f-me up so it might be better if you just give me flaps 5, now"

That's exactly what I try to say, but being on probation it usually comes out something like this. . . . "yes sir".

 

[RJones]

If the flap speed for the particular flap setting desired is obtained then regardless of the decent rate selection of that setting is OK. Flap selection speed is a structural design limit and shouldn't be exceeded, it is not a function of decent rate and if it is could someone point that out to me?

I actually took on this check airman about this issue and his only defense was it was in the book. I looked it up and indeed he was correct and I simply had to drop it. Now that it has changed I wonder if he still rants about it to others.

RJ

 

[mdf]

Ok...back to that making no sense at all...

What does descent rate have to do with anything? Uh...nothing? Why would descending at no more than 500 fpm make a difference with flap speed?

Well, the answer is: nothing. But thanks for playing.

It's funny, I was right without ever even seeing your manual.

Wow, thats really impressive. You must be some kind of aerodynamacyst.

 

[RJones]

Wow, thats really impressive. You must be some kind of aerodynamacyst.

He is an Aerodynamicist... but an "aerodynamacyst" he is not. And it should be 'that is' instead of "thats." Sure you didn't mess your logbook up to get that alleged 6k?