Southwest is buying somebody...or something

[PCL_128]

is when words like "efficient" become bad words instead of integral to the economy.

There's nothing really wrong with efficiency.....to a point. But when it comes to 20 minute turns and 6 legs a day, efficiency is reaching the breaking point.

 

[slaquer5]

There's nothing really wrong with efficiency.....to a point. But when it comes to 20 minute turns and 6 legs a day, efficiency is reaching the breaking point.

PCL I have to ask, Why do you hate SWA so much. Every post you slam SWA. Hate is an evel thing, you need help.

 

[Lear70]

Actually, PCL is one of the nicest, funniest, laid back people I know.

He happens, however, to feel very passionately about a few things, and tends to defend them with vigor.

I don't see "hate" so much as I see disinterest in certain aspects of SWA flying, and that doesn't come across well on a message board (he doesn't say "you guys suck, you're all frakking crazy to fly that stuff, you need a lobotomy" or anything goofy like that, he just comes across a little snotty with the way that he writes, even though that's not how he sounds in person.

One of those internet things I guess. One of the nicest guys in the world, even though we have agreed to disagree about certain things like ALPA and other issues.

Personally, 6 legs a day with 20 minute turns is past my "happy" point as well, even though I understand what you're trying to do with "efficiency" and getting more time at home.

By definition, you'd end up with 11 hour duty days, 8 hours of flying, and 13 hours in the hotel just to keep it inside FAR limits, and I'd come home beat up and needing a day to recuperate if I did more than 2 days of that.

Some people work differently than others under that heavy of a schedule, and I prefer working somewhere where it's not the norm.

Southwest is a fine airline with fine (mostly) men and women who work there. Wish you all the best, just hope there's not more ATA-type adventures in your future with anyone... including airTran. Sounds like you guys wish the same.

:beer:

 

[rudder]

If SWA is in a buying mood, it will not be airTran. Best bet - Alaska.

 

[Lowrider717]

I'm all about doing 3 legs, going to the hotel for 16-18 hours in a nice place, having a nice dinner, getting up and working out, having a nice breakfast, ...

Gee, what overnites do you bid, cause with my third RON in SWF on this 4 day, I'm looking for a change in venue. Gotta run, my waffle's done.

 

[flyingitalian]

There's nothing really wrong with efficiency.....to a point. But when it comes to 20 minute turns and 6 legs a day, efficiency is reaching the breaking point.

Yea that is a really nice easy day, beats 15 min turn and 8 leg days.

Look ive done both type days and i can tell you i would rather have a 6 leg day with no a/c changes and 20 min turns than a 4 leg day with 2 hour plus turns.

Our scheduling and pairing efficiency are a real thing of beauty. Its one of the best schedules anywhere, with am pm consistency and efficient flying. Work and than go home.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Who cares what type of flying people like!

 

[vixin]

No sh*t...

I'm going to smack you silly, boy... talking about merging with AMR...

You need a reasonable suspicion drug test.



Seriously, I'd love SWA pay, but you guys work too dang hard. I'm all about doing 3 legs, going to the hotel for 16-18 hours in a nice place, having a nice dinner, getting up and working out, having a nice breakfast, then go do 3 legs again, for about 4 days, then go home for 4 or 5. 18 days off a month crediting 80 hours. Don't see many lines like that when my SWA buddy is showing me the pairings.

That sounds like my schedule. Except I usually only get 17 days off a month. Oh well I guess I will take it, to be an FO and making AT CA pay. I rarely fly over three legs. When I do I make sure they are West cost days. Makes it easy when you are flying in sunshine all day. There are guys here that love the 5/6 leg days and will grab those trips. Go figure different strokes for different folks. Besides you two are starting to sound like GL. Quick someone mention PFT...oh I just did.

 

[StopNTSing]

PCL I have to ask, Why do you hate SWA so much. Every post you slam SWA. Hate is an evel thing, you need help.

Give it up, guys. I already tried this same question with PCL on another thread. He lets his principles and his ignorance of SWA trump the facts. Kinda sad, really. But then, how can you reason with someone who actually likes doing stand-ups? I suppose red-eyes probably come in a close second on his dream schedule. :nuts: Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Quimby]

Not everyone agrees. I prefer a nice relaxed schedule with 1-3 legs a day and 40+ minute turns with long layovers. That is, if I'm even doing regular trips. I prefer stand-up lines, and SWA doesn't even do those. Not "efficient" enough for them.

so you get 16-18 hrs of rest in a nice hotel on the stand ups you prefer?

 

[Aubie]

I'm just curious - if SWA is so bad why does someone have to use inaccurate data to prove that point? Shouldn't the truth work? I haven't had a line with a 20-min turn scheduled inI don't know how long, I had maybe one 6-leg day all of last year, and I have overnighted in LBB once. Ever.

Yeah it sucks here. Stay away.

 

[Quimby]

Compared to my current schedule, not only is it hard, it's damned near torture.



Not really. There is a tiny portion of the trips that will have one 5-leg day during a trip, but most trips max out at 4 legs a day, with it being pretty easy to avoid trips with more than 3 legs a day. As for six legs a day, I've never seen such a thing here. That's frickin' RJ flying. Are you guys actually flying 6 legs in a day?

torture? No wonder the general public thinks we're overpaid & underworked. Are you sure you even like flying? Or are you already burned out after 5000 hrs?

Maybe you could run your version of torture by John McCain. He might think otherwise.

 

[Lear70]

Gee, what overnites do you bid, cause with my third RON in SWF on this 4 day, I'm looking for a change in venue. Gotta run, my waffle's done.

I used to bid SWF all the time.

The old hotel (Country Inn) had that really cool biker bar across the street with the best seafood really cheap. $15 bucks got you a HUGE sampler platter of cod, crab cakes, and lobster balls, plus tall pitchers of beer for $7.

My kind of layover.

Then we moved out by the mall. Still a nice place. Have no idea where the overnight is now. It's probably in some trailer park under renovation from 0400-2000 daily and we'll get kicked out once the renovation is done.

That's one thing about SWA I like. They let the pilots pick decent hotels, negotiate great discounts for food and beverage, and no bed bug bites, spider bites, toxic mold, or parking lot murders like AAI's hotels. (no, I'm not exaggerating).

Besides you two are starting to sound like GL. Quick someone mention PFT...oh I just did.

Oh, and don't forget LBB... LOL

oh wait, Aubie beat me to it. (disclaimer, I've never even been there, don't understand what's so bad about it).

 

[Rtrell]

Lobster's have ball's? I finally learn something useful on here.

 

[TXDanno]

flying 4-5 legs a day isn't working hard.........digging ditches or being a roofer in PHX in July is working hard...

WORD!

Folks need to maintain some perspective.

I dug ditches for $6/hr in 1984, waiting for Uncle Sugar to call. Some of that was hard work.

Flying three to four days of 24-26 hour duty days, that can be hard. Throw in an attack warning while on the ground, that's not fun.

Haven't done it, but I bet days on end of 7-8 hours of CAP with a few refuels, with a nice tight rocket seat strapped on, that can be hard.

But roofing in PHX, that is hard work. Running through the desert in chem gear, lugging a machine gun, being shot at, that is hard work.

The rest of this, might be hard to justify it as hard work.