Southwest "exits" runway.....again.

[greed]

I'm just glad to hear there were no injuries. Be safe out there guys and happy holidays!

 

[Lear70]

There's three sides to every story. The pilot's side, the FAA's side, and the truth.

Seriously though, back in the day as a 727 CA we were entering the ramp up in Michigan after it had been snowing for 2 days and wasn't letting up. We were CRAWLING... and I do mean CRAWLING, went to slowly turn the tiller and... plane just keeps going right ahead towards other planes.

Let off the brakes, center the nosewheel, pull all 3 into reverse until we're almost at a stop, the dump the left engine back to normal idle and start turning the tiller again, using reverse thrust on the right side as drag. Is it approved? Nope. Did it work? Yup. Airplane wouldn't come to a stop without leaving #2 in reverse with a little thrust on it, then had the ground crew chock the brakes before shut down.

Sometimes it's just that slick and there ain't crap you can do about it. ISP sucks for snow removal anyway, used to fly Lears in and out of there every week.

That said, I watched a SWA CA enter B12 at BWI week before last going so d*mn fast even the marshaller started hopping out of the way. Thought he was going to hit the jet bridge but slammed on the brakes in time. Freaking idiot.

I'm sure it's a very small percentage of people that do it, I've had to make one or two of OUR CA's slow down before, and I'm sure this is just a slick taxiway issue. Crap happens.

 

[Juniority]

Ohh! Look! A chance to trot out my long held grudge, hostility, or whatever against SWA for a little exercise.

Now, I could have taken the time to look at the evidence in this Islip incident, but I didn't want anything like facts to get in the way of that good, superior feeling that I get when I stand on my pitiful, small-man's version of the moral high-ground and repeat yet again the same old sweeping generalizations. (just dust off the good old "I saw the airspeed indicator come alive during taxi" and the "I saw a marshaller jump out of the way" and change the date-stamp to last week or last month and I'm the most relevant guy in the thread, which I really, really like to be).

Yes, if you'd taken the time to look at the reports of the scene at Islip you would know that: 1. it occurred during taxi out to runway 6, and 2. the Captain just didn't read the 10-9 very well or he'd have seen that taxiway S makes a right-hand bend before you can make the 90 degree left turn onto taxiway A.

Of course this requires some knowledge of Aviation, not X-Box games in Mom's basement (you know who you are).

If you work anywhere in aviation with a pilot group of more than 10 or 20 you're going to have at least one idiot. Acting like SWA has any more idiots per capita than any other airline is wishful thinking on your part.

 

[canyonblue]

.....I've had to make one or two of OUR CA's slow down before..

Anyone care to chime in on that one?

 

[Lear70]

Anyone care to chime in on that one?

Why? There's brakes on our side, too,,,

Everyone has their share of people who taxi a bit too fast in some situations. A well-timed "Are you trying out for Nascar or should we maybe slow down a bit?" tends to work wonders.

Some people just need a gentle reminder that there's two of us up there for many reasons. A backup for safe operations is one of those reasons.

 

[SWA Bubba]

You guys need to slow down. You are only hurting yourselves at the end of the day by having this happen over and over and over again.

Actually, since absolutely nobody got hurt (just like last time), I'd say that we're only giving guys like you fodder for SWA bashing. Hmmm.... "over and over and over again"... I suppose things never happen to other airlines. So what airline do YOU work for? The perfect one, I'd imagine.

Say, aren't you the guy who's normally drunk when you post?

Bubba

 

[Whataburger]

Fact: We fly ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED segments/yr. Something is GOING to happen. Mud on tires SUX. Pissed off New York passengers SUX. The FAA SUX. After a tug job and getting sprayed off, it'll all be water under the bridge. Good thing the flying public has short memories.

 

[CBob]

An AirTran captain did the same thing a few years back at FLL between T5 and T6. It was early and dark, and he got fired. Of course the guy was talking on his cell phone at the time. The yellow line is your friend!

 

[Turtle21]

That said, I watched a SWA CA enter B12 at BWI week before last going so d*mn fast even the marshaller started hopping out of the way. Thought he was going to hit the jet bridge but slammed on the brakes in time. Freaking idiot.

.

A man has gotta do what a man has gotta do... to catch his commute.

 

[relief tube]

that's why it's good to very seldom taxi like you stole it.

Then you won't have to dial back anything when its slick out.

 

[fr8doggie]

A man has gotta do what a man has gotta do... to catch his commute.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[rajflyboy]

SWA is doing this stuff all the time. We all see how fast you guys taxi. It's well known throughout the industry. It's time for the FAA to step up and see that something is done to fix this.

Donuts and Whiskey shouldn't change the way these failures are dealt with.

Every body does this and you hate Southwest ..... Those aren't arguments. It's just outright arrogance. It's why you Continue to have the same problems.

 

[Zdriver]

just trying to get a shortcut...direct to the runway?

 

[HA25]

She's over on the regional board this week, building his lead in postings and sharing his wisdom of the current state of the airline industry. Oh and further feeding her ego.

She, His, her?

 

[N1atEcon]

It's time for the FAA to step up and see that something is done to fix this

What do you want the FAA to do? How about we use some FAA data to see who's safe?
This study only includes major U.S. carriers with a minimum of 600 flights a day on average. We calculated the number of incidents where the airlines were at fault and then divided that figure by the number of total annual flights, giving us an incident per flight ratio. We used the Aviation Herald and the Federal Aviation Administration as our sources, taking care to avoid duplicates. So, without further ado, we present you our list of America's Safest Airlines:
http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/americas-safest-airlines-011841949.html

 

[scoreboardII]

Game, set, match to n1.

 

[rajflyboy]

Game, set, match to n1.

Hardly

 

[scoreboardII]

Where are your stats to back up "hardly" as an argument? I won't be holding my breath...

 

[jonjuan]

AT is the safest.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Hardly

Got it. Some actual impartial research with actual calculations vs. your rambling BS based on partial information, and outright misinformation, and anecdotal and sensationalized stories. And in your mind, half-truths and mistruths win.

Southwest Airlines operates more flights per day, and carries more passengers per day in the U.S. than any other carrier. Things can and do happen to every carrier (although mostly minor), but as it turns out, they actually happen less to Southwest. With the exception of Airtran, they happen less often percentage-wise than to everyone else. And with the exception of Airtran and Jetblue (who operated < 20% of the number of flights), the actual number of incidents was lower at Southwest.

Yes, the FAA does look at carriers that have "safety problems." Fortunately, they rely on actual data (like numbers quoted in the study), rather than relying on the incoherent ramblings of pretentious nimwits like Rajflyboy.

Go back to your morning bourbon, Rajflyboy; at least you're more entertaining that way.

Bubba

P.S. By the way, I'd pit Southwest's safety record against any other airline. You keep forgetting to mention who YOU fly for Raj--are you embarassed?