Southwest announces potential flights from Love Field in gate fight

[dicko]

And what exactly did you add Dicko? Jack squat, right? So in essence you're defending Flops lunacy, without any counterpoint (which is called debating).

You prefer one liners instead. At least your consistent!

I'm not sure how you made the logical leap from a one liner to defending Flops lunacy. I do think that your post proved my "one liner" to be more than just humor and bordering on prescient. So, I thank you for that.

I agree that Flops rabid myopic defense of CAL and Houston is lunacy. You have much in common. Only the names are changed.

 

[Flopgut]

The govt looks at the bigger picture- not one airport
If they did- how would so many fortress hubs look

They would look like they look right now: Teaming with different airlines all competing for customers. A true market.

You would benefit by reading the link I showed Bubba. Ft Worth's Greater-southwest Airport. You'll understand the WA Amendment a little more. (Or at least you should, corndog kool aid blurs your vision) Feds weren't going to fund two airports for Dallas and Ft Worth both, so DFW was built. You guys weaseled your way into staying at Love and keeping it open.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

So "Flopgut" are you calling Herb a weasel, you only wish you had him at your airline I bet there would not have been any BK.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm not sure how you made the logical leap from a one liner to defending Flops lunacy. I do think that your post proved my "one liner" to be more than just humor and bordering on prescient. So, I thank you for that.

I agree that Flops rabid myopic defense of CAL and Houston is lunacy. You have much in common. Only the names are changed.

This coming from you? Funny, thanks for that.

Have you ever debated any issue on FI? I really don't remember even one. Just BS side shots with no facts. You bring so much cerebral thinking to the site!

 

[redflyer65]

You guys weaseled your way into staying at Love and keeping it open.

Really? Wow. I like how you make up your own facts and then just build on them.

 

[HowardBorden]

You guys weaseled your way into staying at Love and keeping it open.

If "weaseled your way in" equates to the highest court in the land supporting your legal arguments and unequivocally declaring Southwest's right to remain at Love indefinitely, then yes we we weaseled our way in.

 

[Flopgut]

You do realize that to get to that court, the other side has a decent argument as well.

 

[Flopgut]

So "Flopgut" are you calling Herb a weasel, you only wish you had him at your airline I bet there would not have been any BK.

Herb knows he weaseled in.

If Frank Lorenzo got a hold of SWA right now, you'd be in BK so fast your head would spin. If you don't believe that, you don't know your airline history.

 

[Flopgut]

The govt looks at the bigger picture- not one airport
If they did- how would so many fortress hubs look

Btw: your characterization of what a "fortress" hub is, is way off. Yes, you guys left IAH. You didn't do squat in ATL (after a lot of popping off) Is "fortress" synonymous with: didn't get something handed to you? Or is it: the indigenous legacy wasn't reeling from a corporate raider/calamity?

 

[SWA Bubba]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Southwest_International_Airport

That doesn't equate to any form whatsoever of the city of Ft Worth "getting screwed." Greater Southwest airport was right near where DFW is now. To the best of my knowledge, nobody wanted to fly there after DFW opened, unlike Dallas Love. The city of Ft Worth gained many tens of thousands of construction jobs over a decade constructing DFW, and enjoys having thousands of its citizens spending the money in Ft Worth that they earned at DFW. Not to mention the tens of millions of dollars spent by passengers who fly there to go to Ft Worth. For that, matter they also get millions of dollars from money spent at DFW by connecting passengers who never actually leave the airport.

The only airlines/tenants that were required to move to DFW were those who voluntarily signed on as party to the agreement, and agreed to move to the massive airport that was being build for them. And every one of those airlines that moved enjoyed the new facilities, and the expansion opportunity that wasn't present at Dallas Love or Greater Southwest.

If Southwest, or any other airline, not party to the agreement to have DFW build on their behalf, had wanted to fly out of Greater Southwest airport, then they could and would have, just the same as Southwest at Love Field. However, none did. By the way, you might have done just a few minutes more of research before spouting off. Greater Southwest airport was essentially dying before DFW was even built. From Wikipedia about DFW: "By the mid-1960s Fort Worth was getting 1% of Texas air traffic while Dallas was getting 49%, which led to the virtual abandonment of Greater Southwest."

Simply listing an essentially abandoned airport that closed in favor of a much bigger airport built essentially right next door, does nothing to further your ridiculous assertion. Try again. The fact is, that the city of Ft Worth has lost nothing by the closing of Greater Southwest, and has gained immeasurably by the opening of DFW.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

They would look like they look right now: Teaming with different airlines all competing for customers. A true market.

You would benefit by reading the link I showed Bubba. Ft Worth's Greater-southwest Airport. You'll understand the WA Amendment a little more. (Or at least you should, corndog kool aid blurs your vision) Feds weren't going to fund two airports for Dallas and Ft Worth both, so DFW was built. You guys weaseled your way into staying at Love and keeping it open.

This is a pretty funny post on your part, because it's obvious to all that you actually know NOTHING about the Wright Amendment whatsoever. Nothing. it must be your hate of Southwest that blurs your vision.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

You do realize that to get to that court, the other side has a decent argument as well.

This statement of yours is 100%, unequivocally false. Anyone can take anyone else to court for anything whatsoever, if one is willing to fund the lawsuit.

The fact is, that the legal attacks on Southwest before and after the Wright Amendment was passed were part of other airlines' corporate strategy to prevent competition, called "denial of capital." The point is, you make the little guy spend so much in legal fees that he has no more money to operate. Thus, your competition is eliminated. Read up on Legend Airlines and how American Airlines killed them, if you're not familiar with this particular strategy.

Regardless, the other airlines put up BS legal arguments, one after another, in exactly this gambit. Every single one was dismissed by the courts, even to the point where the Texas Supreme court actually enjoined them from even bringing any more legal arguments up. That's how much of a "decent argument" the other parties had--the TX Supreme Ct basically told them to STFU, and not to bother the courts again.

Dude. Seriously. Read up on some actual Texas history.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Btw: your characterization of what a "fortress" hub is, is way off. Yes, you guys left IAH. You didn't do squat in ATL (after a lot of popping off) Is "fortress" synonymous with: didn't get something handed to you? Or is it: the indigenous legacy wasn't reeling from a corporate raider/calamity?

No.

"Fortress hub" is a term describing a mega hub created by a legacy hub-and-spoke airline. Examples: DFW, ATL, PHL, etc. Southwest is a point-to-point carrier, and doesn't use that particular business model. Our largest airport in terms of daily departures is just over 200 per day, whereas American has probably 2,000 departures per day out of DFW (counting its affiliates).

Anything else I can help explain to you, Flop?

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

It doesn't fit his hate for everything Southwest, so he won't bother to educate himself on the actual, factual details. He never has.

 

[scarlet]

So when is the date the gates will be announced?

 

[waveflyer]

They would look like they look right now: Teaming with different airlines all competing for customers. A true market.

You would benefit by reading the link I showed Bubba. Ft Worth's Greater-southwest Airport. You'll understand the WA Amendment a little more. (Or at least you should, corndog kool aid blurs your vision) Feds weren't going to fund two airports for Dallas and Ft Worth both, so DFW was built. You guys weaseled your way into staying at Love and keeping it open.

Intercontinental sure is teaming with competition isn't it? What's the number 83% united?
Hobby and love are no different. You just want us at your airport so you can have the advantage.
Why would we give you that?

And I read your wiki- I just don't care. Neither ft worth or love offered a place where AA could fly wide bodies and hub and spoke your legacy code share passengers- so you got governments to build Dfw and IAH - good on you
Doesn't mean we can't fly where we want to do business. We don't need 12,000 runways at our bases. Just because you do doesn't mean we should be forced out to the boonies

 

[HowardBorden]

You do realize that to get to that court, the other side has a decent argument as well.

I realize that the Texas Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Southwest's favor, but that wasn't good enough and it was eventually pushed farther up until it hit the Supreme Court of the United States which upheld the Texas court essentially invalidating the other sides argument completely.

 

[Flopgut]

Intercontinental sure is teaming with competition isn't it? What's the number 83% united?
Hobby and love are no different. You just want us at your airport so you can have the advantage.
Why would we give you that?

And I read your wiki- I just don't care. Neither ft worth or love offered a place where AA could fly wide bodies and hub and spoke your legacy code share passengers- so you got governments to build Dfw and IAH - good on you
Doesn't mean we can't fly where we want to do business. We don't need 12,000 runways at our bases. Just because you do doesn't mean we should be forced out to the boonies

No my friend, we didn't build what we needed, we built what was needed (public necessity). That's why there were 7 open gates ready for you to use. We are not squandering tax payer money for our own personal business needs, we built a large venue for all. That SWA used to use it [IAH] but could not compete and left, will probably come out in the next few years.

Common use gates seems to be the fairest way to proceed in this case. You agreed to as much at Hobby. Absolutely no reason SWA should control 95%+ of Love flying, right?

 

[Flopgut]

I realize that the Texas Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Southwest's favor, but that wasn't good enough and it was eventually pushed farther up until it hit the Supreme Court of the United States which upheld the Texas court essentially invalidating the other sides argument completely.

Oh that's how it works, thanks your honor. Invalidated the other sides argument? Completely? Interesting... But somehow you still took a big hit settling the WA, how was that?

 

[waveflyer]

Can't argue with crazy.

If what was needed was only flights out of Dfw - then why have we been so successful out of Love?

Maybe both fill the needs and wants of the market?

Does the same apply in your neighborhood? No local stores bc there was a huge mall built 30 miles away?