Southwest, AirTran Brothers and Sisters!

[SWA/FO]

Hope the junior SW guys don't screw it up like they did the Frontier
merger.

What "merger"? WRONG. Plus, it wasn't the junior SW guys...that screwed up anything. If anything it was RAH's winning bid, that screwed the F9 guys.

 

[Quimby]

With all do respect guys there are federal laws that apply. Our CBA has merger/acquisition language that protects the Airtran pilots. The RLA does mandate that our CBA is adhered to. If we were in bankruptcy it would be a different story. Pilots at all airlines, including SW, should hope that protection is followed. Im 31 yrs old and who knows the past president that could be created if Airtran was dissolved and 1750 pilots were on the street. I understand this highly unlikely, but very scary. If this were to happen guys at Jetblue would be totally screwed if AA bought them. 20 yrs down the road who know which airline will be the big dog. I and other AAI guys are most concerned about the fear of unemployment. The RLA protects airline labor groups and forces CBA's to be complied with. Please guys don't misconstrue my words, I just think it is extremely important for all pilots to be protected in the event of being acquired. I just don't wanna be on the street, please understand that.

Precedent?

 

[funnyman12]

Ha...oops...I blame the droid x

 

[texman]

With all do respect guys there are federal laws that apply. Our CBA has merger/acquisition language that protects the Airtran pilots. The RLA does mandate that our CBA is adhered to. If we were in bankruptcy it would be a different story. Pilots at all airlines, including SW, should hope that protection is followed. Im 31 yrs old and who knows the past president that could be created if Airtran was dissolved and 1750 pilots were on the street. I understand this highly unlikely, but very scary. If this were to happen guys at Jetblue would be totally screwed if AA bought them. 20 yrs down the road who know which airline will be the big dog. I and other AAI guys are most concerned about the fear of unemployment. The RLA protects airline labor groups and forces CBA's to be complied with. Please guys don't misconstrue my words, I just think it is extremely important for all pilots to be protected in the event of being acquired. I just don't wanna be on the street, please understand that.

You won't be on the street. Nor in a bad situation after it is all said and done. We all have mouths to feed.

 

[waveflyer]

Did both sides end their wish for us not to opinionate the SLI on forums??
Bc I missed the memo.

That out of the way- do AT guys trust ALPA?
I know pcl had Dwayne worth aspirations that are dashed-
Just trying to see why ALPA national would do anything but undermine this....

 

[texman]

Did both sides end their wish for us not to opinionate the SLI on forums??
Bc I missed the memo.

That out of the way- do AT guys trust ALPA?
I know pcl had Dwayne worth aspirations that are dashed-
Just trying to see why ALPA national would do anything but undermine this....

Is this in reference to my quote (SLI)? Just wondering.

 

[DonVerita]

Both sides haven't even talked SLI yet and your saying:

Before you make stupid threats like this, think about your FUTURE cause it might get kinda difficult if you start acting like a toddler, especially if oil keeps going north. Remember you got BOUGHT. Get it yet??

Southwest has every right to do what they want with your company unless they combine operations, then and only then does your Federal Law apply. You guys sound like affirmative action heroes over there. Why don't you call Al Sharpton he might be able to help your peoples cause.

The new name for your airline will be "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AIRLINES"

400Ahole climbs out from beneath his PFT rock to spew drivel once again. You have no dog in this hunt so go back to watching Barney, digging holes in your basement floor or trolling the Regionals board; whichever it is you do.

Threats were not made. Reassertion of fact was stated.

Getting "bought" has nothing to do with anything. This is still a merger of operations between two profitable non-bankrupt Major airlines to create what will be one highly competetive and well-positioned new company...of which you will most likely never see except from the gate waiting area or from the right seat window of your C-172.

 

[carl p]

The way I see it is we both need to have a healthy respect for each other in this process, maybe imagine ourselves in the other groups shoes. Truthfully, if the situations were reversed so would our positions. Every single AT pilot I fly with respects SWA and your pilot group. In the past it has come across as though some of our future brothers don't respect us. If you step back and consider that the AT pilot group has helped build a worthy competitor to one of the greatest companies in American history we may gain your respect. Look at our recent history with the AQR rankings, safety scores, and bag handling. AT has a great product built from dedicated employees, much like yours. We have much to offer SWA, and are cut from the same cloth.

Treating each other with respect is the key...

 

[75M]

The way I see it is we both need to have a healthy respect for each other in this process, maybe imagine ourselves in the other groups shoes. Truthfully, if the situations were reversed so would our positions. Every single AT pilot I fly with respects SWA and your pilot group. In the past it has come across as though some of our future brothers don't respect us. If you step back and consider that the AT pilot group has helped build a worthy competitor to one of the greatest companies in American history we may gain your respect. Look at our recent history with the AQR rankings, safety scores, and bag handling. AT has a great product built from dedicated employees, much like yours. We have much to offer SWA, and are cut from the same cloth.

Treating each other with respect is the key...

Best post on this topic that I've read yet. Thanks Carl.

 

[Crash Pad]

Ok who was the first to take the bait. Somehow a feel good thread turned into another... Respect me... love me... deserve... pilot lawyer... thread. You guys blow.

No we do not trust ALPA. I don't trust the Bears either but they are my team so like an idiot I pay to watch every season.

 

[Kharma Police]

Ok who was the first to take the bait. Somehow a feel good thread turned into another... Respect me... love me... deserve... pilot lawyer... thread. You guys blow.

No we do not trust ALPA. I don't trust the Bears either but they are my team so like an idiot I pay to watch every season.

Well my friend, we will all have to follow President Reagan's advice and trust but verify!

 

[elcid]

Carl P, I agree. I have to caution you though, most of how Airtran does things will be flatly rejected by SWA mgmt on the basis that "That's not how we do things here." There's a lot of tribalism between the various departments that leads to deadlock and inability to get things done right. I hope the best Airtran practices (in and out of the cockpit) will be adopted. Don't hold your breath though. I would say, get used to banging your head against a wall. Instead, I think better advice is to do what I am working on and just repeat a calming mantra like, "It's okay, I'm glad to have a job here. I can't change anything and that's okay." Seriously, you could go insane with some of the idiocy from our operation. So good luck, hope arbitration works out well for everyone, and get used to doing things different. That's just the way it is. (Que the Bruce Hornsby piano music).

 

[elcid]

A slight retraction/clarification. This is a great place to work and I love it here. You will too. Our management says they are ready to start adopting a lot of Airtran practices, etc. They just don't have a great track record lately with some of their lofty ideas. It's just too hard to get through the bureaucracy at the end of the day.

 

[texman]

I just want a smaller FOM.LOL

 

[dicko]

You guys sound like affirmative action heroes over there. Why don't you call Al Sharpton he might be able to help your peoples cause.

We already have Al Sharpton. Please try to stay abreast of the situation.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

400Ahole climbs out from beneath his PFT rock to spew drivel once again. You have no dog in this hunt so go back to watching Barney, digging holes in your basement floor or trolling the Regionals board; whichever it is you do.

Threats were not made. Reassertion of fact was stated.

Getting "bought" has nothing to do with anything. This is still a merger of operations between two profitable non-bankrupt Major airlines to create what will be one highly competetive and well-positioned new company...of which you will most likely never see except from the gate waiting area or from the right seat window of your C-172.

Don:
Some funny stuff! Thanks for the laugh.:laugh:
FYI:
400AHOLE=chuck yogurt/lawman/einstein/texas crotch rot/boris yelling/lame lizard/sky fly

 

[400ADude]

400Ahole climbs out from beneath his PFT rock to spew drivel once again. You have no dog in this hunt so go back to watching Barney, digging holes in your basement floor or trolling the Regionals board; whichever it is you do.

Threats were not made. Reassertion of fact was stated.

Getting "bought" has nothing to do with anything. This is still a merger of operations between two profitable non-bankrupt Major airlines to create what will be one highly competetive and well-positioned new company...of which you will most likely never see except from the gate waiting area or from the right seat window of your C-172.

I think you need to relax big boy. Until any reasonable SLI talks have been going on and/or the time line has pressed up to the 18 month limit that your CBA states operations have to be merged then I'd probably zip it. We all get it, you want to get over to the SWA payscale as soon as posible and SWAPA's TA makes you nervous. The reason you all got your panties in a wad over the 18 month operation merger in your CBA shows exactly what your game plan is for the SLI negotiations. Your 18 month requirement is only good if they merge operations and it is probably as useful as a no-forlough clause. Worthless. What are going to do if 18 months goes by??? File a grievance?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Tell you what I would nervous about, the fact SWAPA hasn't negotiated any codeshare deal with the company. That should tell you something.

 

[texman]

Here we go.

 

[ATLplt]

Here we go.

Nah, hopefully nobody's stupid enough to take the bait.

 

[carl p]

Carl P, I agree. I have to caution you though, most of how Airtran does things will be flatly rejected by SWA mgmt on the basis that "That's not how we do things here." There's a lot of tribalism between the various departments that leads to deadlock and inability to get things done right. I hope the best Airtran practices (in and out of the cockpit) will be adopted. Don't hold your breath though. I would say, get used to banging your head against a wall. Instead, I think better advice is to do what I am working on and just repeat a calming mantra like, "It's okay, I'm glad to have a job here. I can't change anything and that's okay." Seriously, you could go insane with some of the idiocy from our operation. So good luck, hope arbitration works out well for everyone, and get used to doing things different. That's just the way it is. (Que the Bruce Hornsby piano music).

LOL, it won't be a problem for me. They sign the check, I'll do it their way. I gave up trying to make sense of this biz 2 furloughs ago. I'll be thrilled with working for management that values the employees!


75M,

Thanks.